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Old 26-07-2024, 11:41 AM
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Chapter 1, verse 4. All is verily the absolute Self. Distinction and nondistinction do not exist. How can I say, "It exists; it does not exist"?
Here the verse highlights the distinction of the Self/God. So the Self neither stands out nor doesn't stand out ('exist' comes from the Latin 'to stand out'). The Self cannot stand out from anything else, because there is only the Self. We cannot point and say that is or isn't the Self. The Self is the infinite whole.

If we take out the literal meaning of 'exist' and consider it as 'just being'. Then the verse means that the Self neither is nor isn't. This is a difficult one for the mind to comprehend and words to describe. But as there is only What Is (the Self) and nothing is not, then it is unnecessary to say that the Self 'is', and 'being' becomes a meaningless term when Being is all there is. Tried my best there.
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@ Goldcup7 ~ I agree with your post 21 and disagree with 20.
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@ Goldcup7 ~ I agree with your post 21 and disagree with 20.
It's all cool.
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Chapter 1, verse 23

If it is of the nature of the not-Self,
how can there be Samahdi?
If it is of the nature of the Self, how can there be Samahdi? If it is both "is" and "is not", how can there be Samahdi?
If all is one and of the nature of freedom,
how can there be Samahdi?


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It - inconscientousness or true realization.

Samahdi - the absorption of the mind in the absolute Brahman* (*all of existence), as a result of which the eternal Truth is realized.

Dattatreya* (* living sage said to have embodied the trinity) maintains that the practice of Samahdi has no justification.

If the universe of our experience is the not-Self, then the true "I" is not in the state of Samahdi, for Truth is not there.

If our experience is of the Self, then Samahdi is superfluous. How can The Self then be in Samahdi?

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first things first we must clarify what is meant by Self
it is our true luminous being with no agenda on its shelf
meaning eternal living light, pulsating with delight
unendingly radiating an effervescence soft white
feeling complete, at peace, enjoying unbound freedom
true singularity but not quite in God’s kingdom

with this preamble let us examine the exalted verse
we do so with spontaneity without need to rehearse
ah ~ we must pause to elaborate what samadhi is
it is oh reader not mere knowing but becoming the bliss fizz
akin to the Self, samadhi too is singularity but in passivity
as such lacking freedom, we are there somewhat in captivity

alright, with the preamble put in place we may now begin
we disagree with the scripture but please see it not as sin
having been, seen, become and so known our Self as light
made in God’s image, though complete, we lack clear sight
adding to our woes, awareness bereft of love is barren and dry
which is why we choose to descend to earth that love draws nigh

God alone is, the all there is, both manifest and unmanifest
as such, what is duality and this earth life but a soul test
that the Self, which is who we are, grows in love, wisdom and power
the three fold flame of Christ bestowed by God as a bliss shower
thus why should we negate samadhi or any flavour of life’s incense
all seemingly separate selves are in truth but God’s living essence
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Chapter 1, verse 23. If it is of the nature of the not-Self, how can there be Samahdi?
If it is of the nature of the Self, how can there be Samahdi?
Another great verse. Let's give Goldcup's take on this.

Imo it questions how can there be enlightenment (Samahdi) for the Self or the not-Self (the ego, separate self, or limited self)? The Self (Brahman/Infinite Consciousness) does not become enlightened or set free. It is always timelessly free and self aware. The limited self can never become enlightened, because it is illusory. Enlightenment is like the extinguishing of the sense of being a separate self.

As there is only the Self/Brahman/God/Consciousness, how can there be enlightenment? It's not so much of a question as a statement that it could not possibly be. The Self does not become enlightened, and the non-self (the sense of being a limited self) does not exist.

Even enlightenment is illusory, because the Self is timeless and pure consciousness.
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Wise observation, Goldcup ~ beautifully and clearly elucidated
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Chapter 1, Verse 26

“As the self is filled by the Self, so is all filled continuously by you. There is no meditator or meditation.
Why does your mind meditate shamelessly?”



to behold its own reflection
living light takes on myriad forms
each module though one with the whole
hypnotised by the ego, is lost in life’s storms

if we be but still in the void of polarity interchange
occurring between exhalation and inhalation
when intent arises but before its action
these are moments of meditation

ego is but an identity our soul dons
to assist it to safely navigate earth life
as such in truth there is no one here within
our true Self is living light, in peace and bliss rife

the ego as doer or meditator simply does not exist
we are the light that lights all lights in this world
in time stretched silence ego disappears
heart centric, flag of love is unfurled
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Thanks, Unseeking Seeker. These are special. The first part speaks of the seemingly separate, limited and temporary self being filled by the Infinite, Indivisible, Timeless Self. And the universe also timelessly filled with the God Self that is our true nature.

The second and third sentences focus on the practice of meditation, denying the reality of there being a meditator meditating. In meditation the body sits 'still' (although spinning on a planet, spinning through space, of course), whilst the mind attempts to still itself.

Yet it is Awareness Self that perceives the mind trying to still itself and the body, trying to achieve enlightenment. Our true nature of Awareness Self does not meditate but is timelessly self aware (innately enlightened, you could say). The temporary mind and its actions are seen to be illusory. There is then the recognition that there is no meditator meditating. There is only Self Aware Awareness.
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Chapter 1, verse 29

“There is no substance whatever which is by nature unlimited. There is no substance whatever which is of the nature of Reality. The very Self is the supreme Truth. There is neither injury nor non injury in It.”



all that is manifest, has a beginning and an end
unreal, a bubble of illusion, a thought projection
puppeteer unknown but puppets wish to ascend
therefore all spiritual practices require rejection

mind propels thought, impulsed by heart’s desire
so heart is where the ultimate truth may be found
at our core therein, ego is vaporised in a bliss fire
consciousness expands, we are no longer bound

presence discovers itself as an eternal living light
at peace, our formless awareness feels complete
possessing full freedom it’s radiance is pure white
suffused with God’s love, pulsating in bliss delight

mind cannot know the truth but soul can become
it is a metamorphosis, a complete transmutation
one with existence, we meld with the cosmic hum
bilocating thus breath by breath is our meditation
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These are beautiful Unseeking Seeker, I just discovered them.
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