Why are sidefects of spirtual awakening and schizophrenia coinciding for many people?

[kishore]

Why it is coinciding and what is the remedy to cure those side effects or where should people go for solving those?

[simon777]

When you awake you have been sleeping inside your own self. So after waking up in a spirutal way you will find that there is more than one of you.

Its like before you woke up you was on auto pilot. Then you get woken up but the auto pilot is still running.

Its ok if there is schizophrenia, it was pretty much going to happen anyway until you can turn off the auto pilot (If you really want to)
As long as the auto pilot and you get on and there is enough control then I would not worry.
A good positive to this is you can become your own guide.

Please feel free to message me if you wanna chat some more my friend :-)

[FairyCrystal]

The only time I've heard of problems arising is when people are awakened by for instance a Reiki master and are not ready for it yet.
You then get a system overload as it isn't natural to go about it this way. I was told about a man becoming totally psychotic after his Reiki master did that. His wife -who told me that- was also seriously affected for months but she was strong enough to recover.
I have heard more stories like that concerning Reiki.

I think things can only go awry when people force 'awakening' or are forced into it.
Apart from that, don't forget that many many many people with mental illnesses feel drawn to spirituality, or what they think it is.
They come up with stories that the voices they hear are spiritual instead of having to do with their mental issues.
I've ran a spiritual forum, was a mod on a very large spiritual forum, and have been here for some years. You see it everywhere, people with mental disorders and problems showing up.

[Jyotir]

Yes, and often physical or emotional trauma can create dissociation, severe imbalances, distortions, or porosity in the etheric webs which normally insulate various chakras, allowing other dimensions to penetrate and intrude into waking consciousness involuntarily and chaotically. This is the source of much disturbance seen as mental health issues, especially schizophrenia. It happens from a sudden, strong or repeated shock(s)- like you say "not ready" - not an organic growth or organized integrated progression - that's why there is so much attendant confusion in the being when this happens.

Eventually the mental health community will understand this.

The other part is from the incorrect assumption that mere contact with other dimensions is somehow necessarily spiritual which is not true and part of the incessantly conflicted positions (and sterile debate) on any spiritual discussion site.

Spirituality necessarily involves the deliberate consecration of life in whatever form or path ... to the Divine, to Source, to God - not simply that which is non-physical energetic phenomena.

~ J

[Karak]

Originally Posted by FairyCrystal

The only time I've heard of problems arising is when people are awakened by for instance a Reiki master and are not ready for it yet.
You then get a system overload as it isn't natural to go about it this way. I was told about a man becoming totally psychotic after his Reiki master did that. His wife -who told me that- was also seriously affected for months but she was strong enough to recover.
I have heard more stories like that concerning Reiki.

I think things can only go awry when people force 'awakening' or are forced into it.
Apart from that, don't forget that many many many people with mental illnesses feel drawn to spirituality, or what they think it is.
They come up with stories that the voices they hear are spiritual instead of having to do with their mental issues.
I've ran a spiritual forum, was a mod on a very large spiritual forum, and have been here for some years. You see it everywhere, people with mental disorders and problems showing up.

I dont know if its okey to quote an old post like this but I will take my chances and hope for the best :)

I once gave a friend a reiki healing when I was still getting the hang of the basics with reiki channeling which made him borderline psychotic off and on for a few days(I have more than enough stories to testify to his psychotic behavior if needed) and it took me a few days and quite alot of energy to put him back together again but it could be done and after "studying" him and backtracking the whole experience I have come to the conclusion that an experienced reiki practitioner who actually knows what he is doing and have experience with working with mentally ill people will know how to gently work on them and know when to stop or adjust the flow.

I bet alot of people with mental issues who could really use some energy healing are turned down by healers because nobody wants to be complicit in the persons situation if it wouldnt be fixed instantly, Ive met only two persons in my country who would even consult me in working on people diagnosed with mental disorders, most are to afraid to even discuss it.

Its very easy if you tend to be good to channel to give alot of energy at once to someone and if you have not taken precations as for example a very thorough "earthing" work before the healing it can go wrong.

You can try this for yourself if you know you are Stable enough and have the ability to channel to just focus the energy right on your third eye or crown chakra and leave the focus there for a while, its likely you will feel lightheaded or have a pressure build up or something similiar. But if you do some extensive grounding work before as cording to earth core and opening up the foot and root chakras then these problems will most likely not accur or atleast not as much.

From listening to a psychotic rambling for more than a few minutes its quite obvious the person is far from being grounded.

Also in my opinion/experience mental illness and especially the more severe kinds are very much a spiritual symptom of something not being right/aligned/balanced, its very rarely that they are wrong in feeling called to the spiritual world of knowledge.

my point being that saying "how about that, he wasnt spiritual at all he was just a loony" is not always proper.
Alot of people diagnosed with severe shizophrenia would probably be schamans or some equivalent to that if they where born in another part of the world and guided and encouraged instead of being shamed and medicated.

Originally Posted by Karak

Also in my opinion/experience mental illness and especially the more severe kinds are very much a spiritual symptom of something not being right/aligned/balanced, its very rarely that they are wrong in feeling called to the spiritual world of knowledge.

Neurologically-speaking, schizophrenia and Spirituality come from the same parts of the brain and often there's little difference between the two, but people would rather be Spiritual with all of its connotations than they would be headcases with all of thoise connotations. I'm schizophrenic/dissociative and have worked in mental health. I'd hazard a guess that the friend you gave the healing to already had a potential mental health issue and the Reiki triggered it rather than caused it. Chakras and/or don't cause mental health issues and sometimes the issues are caused by physical factors, such as chemical imbalances.

There's a very thin line between Spirituality and mental health as most people who are Spiritual and have the guts to admit they have mental health issues will tell you. Sometimes a Spiritual awakening is not a Spiritual awakening, it's an inability to admit to having issues - or a fear of admitting. And sometimes the "call to the Spiritual world of knowledge" is just denial, it's better to think of yourself as Spiritual rather than being a headcase. Looking for 'Spiritual solutions' to mental health disorders is naive at best and not actually very Spiritual, because often the people that come up with sich things have very little experience of mental health.

[Karak]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Looking for 'Spiritual solutions' to mental health disorders is naive at best and not actually very Spiritual, because often the people that come up with sich things have very little experience of mental health.

very interesting reply :)

My friend did have "some" mental issues before aswell, correcto.

Spiritual solution for a mental health issue is for me the optimal thing if its achievable, I may not have the same experience as you with the mentally ill so It would be very interesting if you could elaborate on what solutions/treatments you think are for the best.(if possible even for specific diagnosis, this site is a fountain of knowledge ;)

I know that the medicine solution do have a success rate to some degree but the cons of being on anti-psychotics for example especially in the long run are truly diabolical, even on paper.

Originally Posted by Karak

very interesting reply :)

My friend did have "some" mental issues before aswell, correcto.

Spiritual solution for a mental health issue is for me the optimal thing if its achievable, I may not have the same experience as you with the mentally ill so It would be very interesting if you could elaborate on what solutions/treatments you think are for the best.(if possible even for specific diagnosis, this site is a fountain of knowledge ;)

I know that the medicine solution do have a success rate to some degree but the cons of being on anti-psychotics for example especially in the long run are truly diabolical, even on paper.

If you knew that your friend had mental health issues and you tried to 'cure' him/her anyway then I'd suggest that there's something very important you take from that.

There's a plethora of reasons and mental health issues that are caused by so many different sources, it's just not possible to elaborate on possible treatments. It all depends on the individual. Sometimes it simply can't be cured as far as modern science goes. With respect, you asking the question in the first place means that you don't have enough of a grasp of the issues. In this case a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, as you have already found out.

My mother has advanced dementia and my wife had a brain-bleed that destroyed a part of her brain. What Spiritual solution do you suggest?

What people don't want to think about is the consequences of someone having a mental health issue that can cause harm to themselves and others. I've seen a young girl sitting quivering with fear and sitting in a puddle of her own urine after having a psychotic episode. That's what happened because her medication was disrupted. Another jumped off a bridge because God had told her to do it, luckily she survived but spent a lot of time in a full body splint. If you have a Spiritual solution to those then you could revolutionise modern psychiatry. But yes, any medication - and even sometimes the humble painkiller - can have side-effects. But then there are no viable alternatives other than causing serious harm to the sufferer or people around them.

Originally Posted by kishore

Why it is coinciding and what is the remedy to cure those side effects or where should people go for solving those?

The side effects are not coinciding, the side effects are the same. The only real difference is the labels people hang on them for their own reasons, thinking you're Spiritual has much more kudos than acknowledging you have a mental health issue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4031576/

I'm on the schizophrenia spectrum, I have a 'fractured' personality due to childhood trauma.

While people in the fields of mental health, psychology, neurology etc. can encompass Spirituality, for the most part Spiritual people can't encompass anything other than Spirituality.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mental-hea...-mental-health

It's only a problem when people aren't being honest with themselves. Sometimes a 'Spiritual Awakening' may not be an awakening, it could be nothing more than the person fooling themselves into thinking that they are bigger/better than they really are - ego on the rampage. One of the problems with Spirituality is that there are no objective criteria as to whether a person is Spiritual or not, or whether they are awakened or not. Declaring yourself as being Spiritually Awake can mean anything you like but underpinning that could be cognitive dysfunction.
https://psychcentral.com/lib/in-dept...ioral-therapy/

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The side effects are not coinciding, the side effects are the same. The only real difference is the labels people hang on them for their own reasons, thinking you're Spiritual has much more kudos than acknowledging you have a mental health issue.

I'm on the schizophrenia spectrum, I have a 'fractured' personality due to childhood trauma.

While people in the fields of mental health, psychology, neurology etc. can encompass Spirituality, for the most part Spiritual people can't encompass anything other than Spirituality.

Not everyone has mental health issues, but everyone can benefit from "spiritual" practices such as meditation, mindfulness, spending time in nature, practising compassion, etc.

Perhaps Greenslade's particular circumstances and background mean that he sees everything through the lens of "mental health issues".

Those of us who are fortunately free from such mental health issues can pursue our spiritual journey without reducing it to the side effects of some mental imbalance.

Peace