Let us talk about ourselves

[Catastrophicfailure]

These are the ways of the Lord.

In the reality we live in we have to abide to something it seems like.
We have a hard time getting around it, we can't deny or forsake that this is the life and the reality we have and live in.
I do not think it's possible to disregard it fully, we can do it bit by bit, deny truth, deny feelings and thoughts, etc.
But in the end it is not possible, because the very thing you are denying you are acknowledging its reality by denying it.

We have to be strong in the ways that are intended, and the intended ways are what is right in front of us, we can't deny the flowers in a field once we see them, yet we deny our feelings of guilt and shame once they make an appearance.

There's not many tricks in order to accept what we do not want to accept, one can try every trick in the book but the fullblown experience of acceptance comes right after we let go of tricks of trying to handle them, isn't it so?

As long as we have a trick up our sleeve we want something different than what is, isn't it so? We want a different outcome if we are willing to use tricks to get by.

In the end only acceptance and allowing will make us whole i think.

What do you guys think? Is this sound thinking?

Love you! Many hugs from sweden

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

In the end only acceptance and allowing will make us whole i think.
What do you guys think? Is this sound thinking?
Love you! Many hugs from sweden

well i have a problem with saying there is 'one true thing i can do' to make it right.... that never seems to work.

But I do get a lot of lessons in waiting patiently, acceptance... for a long time I thought I was an awful person because people made me wait all the time and I was antsy and resentful about that for example. I thought things should go quicker as a sign of respect for some person I supposed I was. But I think it is not such a good idea to be expecting others to behave one way or another just to please me, or even want to live that way myself, and so I learned to just live through my own discomfort at situations that make me feel inferior, and even come to some semblance of acceptance of such situations.

so yeah i think learning to accept things as they are rather than immediately seek changes just based on some principle like thinking I'm being respected, has been a very good thing for me.

[Hemera]

Life hasn't seemed worth it to me, in all honesty. It has been very painful and I spent most of it on an endless pursuit of enlightenment where my suffering would disappear and everything would be wonderful and meaningful and make sense.

However, within the seeking I have come to know, again and again (amidst many times of unconsciousness) the part of me, or BEYOND me, that is always there and always will be. That part is life itself, is totally at peace and connected to everything that is. Everything feels....right.

Suffering happens and will still happen unfortunately, but there's a return to the peace within me and the need to seek falls away.

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

well i have a problem with saying there is 'one true thing i can do' to make it right.... that never seems to work.

I think you're doing great, so don't think any difference, please

One true thing to make it all right is a common pattern of thought in my opinion.
One is trying to perfect ourselves or perfect the external in order to set everything 'right'.
I don't think it is ever going to work, I'm talking from a certain place now; while being perfect is an easy goal to aim towards in might be completely fruitless, endeavors left and right in order to 'make it'.
I know it's never going to be a completion in this, one can try as one may but we are only left in thought with such goals, maybe life/God do not care about it?
Maybe he only cares, and lets us play along with ourselves/thoughts/feelings as long as we want to.
We are working through stuff at all times and the path becomes clearer and clearer with tools such as truth and honesty.
In the end even that has fallen off from me, right and wrong included.
I live in a space where right never existed and where wrong never was an option.
One needs to stay true to the path, and the path is whatever is in front of our nose. We cannot deny these things we hate and have occupied our consciousness, yet we do, what can we expect from this? We obviously want to stay put in the room the hateful things 'puts' us in.
We need to check-out, we need to push the limits of these things, break them down into pieces if needed and slowly gain understanding and wisdom, knowledge and bravery in order to face what we are unwilling to.

That's it from that 'place'.

Hopefully that place of wisdom can/could help

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I'm so happy you are at a better place with yourself and others when it came to being treated in a certain way, very brave of you

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by Hemera

Life hasn't seemed worth it to me, in all honesty. It has been very painful and I spent most of it on an endless pursuit of enlightenment where my suffering would disappear and everything would be wonderful and meaningful and make sense.

One who never goes the whole way can never say that it is endless or has an ending, only the brave can find out experientially and that is the deal enlightenment presents.
Keep fighting hero, I believe in you!

I read David Hawkins recently and he said that even after years of futile spiritual work one can in a moment be faced with the challenge of being enlightened, it can happen to a "spiritual idiot" even.
So even if one doesn't see progress one never knows what the divine has in store for us, so keep fighting! I believe in you! You can do it!

[Hemera]

Ah thank you Catastrophicfailure (love the username!)

I guess it's what they call moments of Grace....they may come or they may not...no matter what we do or don't do.

[Catastrophicfailure]

If life isn't what it seems to be? Then what is it?
Is it a plate? Is it a banana? Is it beyond words? What is it?

What is the thing that we are in? Is this thing God? Is it nothing? Is it something?

What does the mind tell us that it is? Now, should we listen to mind? Why/why not? He comes with good arguments.
But those who wish to not argue with mind then, what is reality to them?

Is it the banana again? Is it a big muscular man? I mean, words are always describing things, why can't we ascribe meaning to the thing we see?

From now on i will call reality a big muscular man, and i will believe it!

This is the power of belief!
If a belief is believed it is planted in our system as the thing we believe it to be, isn't it so?
But belief isnt the real thing, now is it? A belief is only a belief!

So why worry about the delusion we tell ourselves through believing in beliefs? My god, we are crazy!
I wouldn't want to believe in something and it starts to come alive! This is what belief is!

Now, how do we go beyond belief? Do we take a left instead of a right? Do we do meditation? What is the mininum number of things to do to get rid of belieiving?

LOL

Why not give belief zero power? Why not stop entertaining a certain belief?
Believing is believing in our own made up story!

How ridiculous!

Lets firmly plant our feet in real soil! No fake soil this time! My god, crazy only gets you crazy, and real only gets you real!

AMEN

PS: i do not know if this fits into the thread but it is too funny not to share, i'm sorry

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

There's not many tricks in order to accept what we do not want to accept, one can try every trick in the book but the fullblown experience of acceptance comes right after we let go of tricks of trying to handle them, isn't it so?

problem being if i am trying to accept it i can't get the feeling associated with accepting it because I'm relying on the feeling of trying to accept it?

So the problem is more generally, I want a specific feeling because that somehow seems to have meaning for me, but my trying to get a specific feeling just puts up road blocks to actually getting that feeling.

Trick then for me being to quit relying on getting that specific feeling and find some other way to live... which means, giving up on some part of the meaning I've come to revere... which is why I won't do it...

which is about the same as what you said about belief, yeah we can go around in circles about what is 'true' and we all have our ideas and then we argue with each other about it because we don't like the implications of what others are saying...

noone ever seems to try though, simply not trying to name what is true and let what is true be what is true without propping it up with concepts about what it is...

More fun to champion a cause and have holy wars I guess....

[Catastrophicfailure]

Listen, if discomfort is what is making us dislike bad feelings, then it isn't the bad feelings which is the problem. No.
It is our attitude towards them!

I think everybody on earth is more or less running towards what good feelings produce, while running away from what bad feelings produce!

And if this is the case then we can change our atittude towards the whole feeling "paradigm", we can change it completly.

We change it completly by changing our attitude towards the bad so it can exist just as loosely as the good!

What if we have gotten the whole system wrong?!
What if the system doesn't need changing, what if the only thing that needs changing is our attitude towards it?

Isn't this marvelous?!

If this is the case then all we have to do is to see the "bad" from a new perspective so the product of the "bad" feelings becomes something else, can it become something else? Can what "bad" feelings produce in us become something else?

I say, let's see, what have we got to lose?



This is where i am today and happily so, i might not like what comes up from this attitude change but i sure will be happier once it's over.
To not like something doesn't mean resisting it in my eyes, it is a preference.
It is like waiting while being patient, one doesn't like the waiting but it is all good in the end.

Wish you the best days folks, take care

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

What if we have gotten the whole system wrong?!
What if the system doesn't need changing, what if the only thing that needs changing is our attitude towards it?

that is what is true for me anyway... I had SO MANY bad ideas.

Thing I had to lose was my money, my in with others. It was horrible sitting here having to face the idea that the meter will run down on that...