The heart

[Unseeking Seeker]

The first organ of a foetus (spelt fetus in American English) is the heart. Surprised? I’m not.

My conviction is that heart is the core. We have the physical heart, the spiritual heart and God’s heart ~ Trika or three as in Kashmir Shaivism or the trinity etc. ~ Jiva (soul in duality), Atma ((Self, God-spark in singularity) and God Himself (undefinable).

Any thoughts?

[lovetruth]

A beautiful reminder of what is most important. The heart is life, it is everything, it does not surprise me that it is the first organ to develop.

[FoxTracks]

To me, the heart is what connects our entire being — the center, as you say. The heart takes into account the feelings of our physical body, our mind, our emotions, our energy body/chakras, and finally our soul and atman, if the heart is listened to and developed. As we develop, our heart feels not only that which is of our small being, but also the callings and the whispers of the universal being of which we are a part — the body of Goddess — the great web of life — spirit. When one can listen to the heart and heed its calling, one has truly gained great wisdom.

May my experience be of some value in your journey.

[Unseeking Seeker]

To dig a bit deeper, here is an extract from the Katha Upanishad ~

“The Purusha, not larger than a thumb, the inner Self, always dwells in the hearts of men. Let a man separate Him from his body with steadiness, as one separates the tender stalk from a blade of grass. Let him know that Self as the Bright, as the Immortal-yea, as the Bright, as the Immortal.”

I take this Purusha as the Self, the Atman.

Quite often we tend to dismiss wisdom written in the scriptures as metaphorical whereas in many cases it is literal. Of course we must correlate with direct experience.

Edit: I came across this video, which may be of interest ~

https://youtu.be/s-veWDtcEs0?si=IT38c9MJVjXvLxRn

[hazada guess]

All very interesting but to me, the Pineal gland is the home of the soul whilst in the body .

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

All very interesting but to me, the Pineal gland is the home of the soul whilst in the body .

Yes, that’s the standard approach and in line with the Sant Mat/ Kriya yoga lineage. I have an open mind on this but as of now, I consider the heart as the centre. This is not to say that the head is not significant, what with numerous chakras there, which we sense, topped by the fontanel.

Is your conviction based on scripture or a direct experience?

As for me, I don’t mind sharing why I take heart to be the centre, based on personal experience ~

1) after kundalini ascent to crown, polarity balance, the cosmic egg, Hiranyagarbha in head split out of which two forms, male and female emerged (Shiva & Shakti) who descended to heart, where union resulted in ignition of the the central vein, Sushumna, bringing about bliss in permanence.

So, no doubt head is in focus but the fulfilment is in the heart.

2) once in a deep, lucid meditation I ‘saw’ the luminous presence of Shiva, who drew my formless presence towards Himself, saying, ‘see who the dweller of My heart is’. I was then drawn into His heart. There I saw His Self in blue electricity, renewing itself within itself.

So, heart, not head.

3) Again, in another deep meditation, I ‘saw’ my ego drop off, just as a dead leaf drops from a tree and then I directly saw my Self ~ the same as lord Shiva, except that it was in white electricity. A textbook case, ineffable peace, feeling complete, bereft of attribute, poised outside space time, in singularity, as one without a second, enjoying full freedom but having no urge to do anything, except by spontaneous intent.

Correlating with the previous immersion, it is heart again.

In my previous post, there’s a video link. It alludes to Self in heart too.

As for head, no count we have chakras there which are active, making head luminous ~ the chin, nose, third eye, temples, forehead, guru chakra, crown, Bindu, Medulla and more but all said and done, it appears that heart is the source in singularity and head reflects the light in duality.

As I said, this is my current understanding based on experience. If a higher experience comes along in future, then I’ll have no problem in altering my view.

[hazada guess]

I've noticed your post unseeing SeekerThis may sound as if I am completely mad,but when I entered the Womb,at first,All thought came from the head,and as the Pineal gland is just below the brain,it has full control of said organ which is responsible for all the organs in the Body,(Well most of them).
To me,the heart is just a pump for the blood.I'm not 100% but these are my feelings.Once again I'm not mad though I sound it

Nothing is 100% in the spirit world so I may be wrong though I doubt it.Anyway must go,take care.

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ hazada_guess ~ I guess our understandings are at variance, hardly matters. To me before thought arises in head, it is preceded by an intent wave in the heart. If heart is quiescent, no thoughts arise.

Thus to me, heart is the centre in singularity and mind is an instrument, executing heart’s intent here in duality.

[FoxTracks]

Unseeking seeker, I agree with much of what you say from my own experience.

It is interesting the experience you had in deep meditation with shiva. My teacher taught me that many see their divine self as blue-white, often as a flame. Electricity doesn’t seem that far off the mark there. I myself experienced my divine self as whitish blue, although I cannot tell what form the vision took.

The most interesting thing about the heart is how it develops. As you come more into alignment with your soul (and I foresee, later, perhaps, with your divine spark) the heart is the center for the development of your lower functions, the center of the instruments of body, mind, and emotions/vital where they become aligned with the true expression of your soul.

I will admit, though, I have some issue with the concept of “true self”. How could we say that one part only is the true self? We are physical manifestations of soul expression, the divine made manifest. The body, mind and vital are, at their highest development, true expressions of soul. This being the case, they are vital sources of information and opportunities to expand on a soul level. Thus the heart should integrate the messages of the body, mind, and vital. The heart knows the path.

Have you heard of Sri aurobindo? I subscribe to much of his theory/experience.

That is where the terms of body, mind, and vital come from for me.

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts.

In your terms, I believe I might be undergoing what you term a polarity balance, seeker, if you care to talk more about that, but it might be beyond the scope of this thread haha!

Bear in mind, I am still learning and growing in my understanding.

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ FoxTracks ~ I just posted on kundalini and polarity balance in another thread. Here is the post ~ https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...&postcount=169

Of course I’ve heard of Sri Aurobindo and his epic poem, ‘Savitri’. I’ve not studied his teachings though.