Body, Emotions, Mind … and Beyond

[Redchic12]

It’s really interesting what you have to say in the above threads and most of it I would kinda agree with.

But you state how long this takes and how long that takes and about questioning different things. Personally I don’t think about any of those things because it’s just not relevant to my life at the present moment. Only NOW is what really matters to me. Im NOT saying that these questions of yours are not important because they are, but it just doesn’t matter to me personally. Who was first, where we incarnated, what it meant, I just couldn’t care less about those things to be honest.

I only seem to question what is needed right NOW and where I’m going, and looking at ways we’re I can improve and evolve. I am also constantly disciplining my mind, watching the thoughts carefully, and being aware of my actions and words. That’s enough for my little brain.

As I’ve stated before, I’m very comfortable with saying “I don’t know”. Although I must admit I spent most of my thirties and forties asking these questions and reading everything I could get my hands on from a spiritual perspective, so I guess that is one of the reasons I don’t need to question those things now.

As for bickering, yeah what a waste of energy hey. I’ve found that when you get into that kinda situation, you can never change the other persons mind, all you do is reinforce his own point of view! It never achieves anything. All I do is say, ok, ok let’s agree to disagree and walk away.

Keep up the good work Zorkchop I can see that many people on this forum are being helped by your words and you are lifting their spirits.

By the way, where on earth did you get that name Zorkchop. Every time I read it I think of pork chops ha.

[zorkchop]

Redchic12 …

Please remember … I am trying to get this information out as best I can to as many levels as I can … without going way overboard. I try to cover as many of the basics as I can … always trying to “stretch” it a bit farther if I can.

I’ve been surprised at just how much I’ve had to dive back into the basics … because of board interest. Kind of a nice refresher.

I posted long ago … and I will say here again … if I don’t know specifically what I am saying … then I will clearly claim it to be opinion or guess work. If I “don’t know” … it’s up to me … or whomever … to determine if it’s important enough to pursue.

And yes … “Now” is the only true perspective of Soul Itself … but that is a rather advanced perspective … and the “higher” level of “Now” goes way beyond just “the present moment.” There’s a bit more to it than that … not highly promoted. That’s for another time.

“Zorkchop” … LoL. Back in the 90’s I was sailing through various forum boards and someone used the term “zorkchop” and I just exploded in laughter … perfect name … unique … easily remembered … didn’t really “put” me at any specific level … and so I just took it up. I believe later I found out that “zorkchop” is some kind of animated character or comic character … or something along that line … or has to do with a video game … something like that. I never sorted that out … don’t need to. I’ve stuck with it ever since … going on 25 years now.

You walk the path well, Redchic12.

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[Redchic12]

Good name. Love the reason behind it. Brilliant.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by zorkchop

One can see conditions of inquisition and punishment rearing their ugly heads worldwide right now. People / movements / belief systems are having to go underground even now.

the trick is, to understand that this is for a reason, and to learn your lessons despite it. I never was much for book learning, or from getting my understanding from others; a lot of the things I know (many of which you seem to know as well) came because I was eventually able to learn at least some of the lessons that persecution brings, rather than continually try to get out of it the way we are taught to do.

There is always a way, even when others are deliberately hiding the truth it can be delved out of the ways they go about hiding it. For me, things become simply a matter, of how lonely you are able to let yourself be when you are considering things. How much you are able to be on the path, and how much you are able to be relating to others.

But both are important; fishes need both water and food lol!

[zorkchop]

FallingLeaves …

Your ending point is incredibly valuable. I don’t know how many people realize how much the entire very frightening prospect of finding themselves “alone” scares people deeply. Many complain about the “loneliness” of the path … but … that is exactly what it turns out to be … since Soul Itself is an “individualized” creation. You are in and on this path … on your own. We just often have a mass of other individuals constantly surrounding us … and that is *not* an easy habit to break … and isn’t totally necessary to make such a drastic withdrawal … but … we often do as we sort it all out.

And yes … after we retreat for a while … we realize that there is room for both … being rather reclusive and somewhat socializing … again … the middle path … both fishy water and food.

Nice touch on your observations. Thanks.

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[Redchic12]

Yes I get what your saying Fallenleaves and also to you Zorkchop regarding loneliness.

I remember saying to myself a few years ago, “there’s nothing out there that I find fulfilling anymore”. So I withdrew from the social scene and travelling and decided I’ll just learn to be.

At first I DID sometimes feel a bit lonely, but after really looking into “lonely” I discovered I wasn’t actually lonely per se ( I didn’t feel the need for people) but discovered that it was more the feeling of ALONE. Lonely and alone are far different things. Anyway as time passed I felt I enjoyed it more and more and obviously found insights into myself that I would never have found carrying on in the way I was going.

I do occasionally socialise now, but it’s very limited, because I know we need the balance. Going too far one way creates too much imbalance and that’s when you start having problems. Like Buddha said, take the middle path, so I guess he was talking about balance.

[zorkchop]

Considerations 160A …

Perfection / Purification …

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A fabulous topic. Another one of those topics that has been over-worked by the mind until it has become useless and unreachable … along with dreams … duality … illusions … etc.

The Eastern religions seem to promote the “perfection” scenario and to a point … they are correct … but mind tends to take it too far and expects actual … perfection … in all aspects of someone’s life. When everything goes their way … they can heal with a wave of their hand … they have full control of mental thoughts … birds sit on their shoulder as they travel the lands … all is peaceful and serene … they can levitate and walk on water … and any number of “abilities” that mind can conjure up … then … and only then … is someone able to be … “perfect.”

Trap #A45F4Kj950Uv407AED … how to keep mind chewing away on the impossible. ( LoL )

Perfection is also understood through the principle of purification … along the same route. Soul Itself does not need to be “purified” because It is already as pure as It can be. It just doesn’t know that yet and has become “corrupted” by It’s eons in the Lower Psychic Worlds. Soul Itself has *no* chance at purification until It discovers Itself to be understandably, recognizably, viably, explicitly beyond mind … a fact … and a lifestyle … not known by many … a fact that mind will argue endlessly.

Purification / perfection of the mind comes through revision … learning to get out of our own way … revising the limitations until they limit no more. Mind can take this approach and demand that this must be carried out until *all* limitations are dealt with … thus … “perfection” … and this is unnecessary. It is by way of the art of discernment that one can determine which limitations truly and deeply impede one’s progress … and which limitations could remain … hopefully in a rather “controlled” state … and just learn to control them when the limitations rear their troublesome heads. Yes … any individual could continue on and challenge each and every limitation and get them all under control … and … if that’s what they wish to do … have at it.

Many difficulties lie in the intricacy … the subtleness … the vagueness of learning about Soul Itself. One must learn to work around the “heaviness” of the physical body … the clouding of mental thoughts … the impulse and the drive of the emotions … and if and when you take those out of the equation … or out of the approach … what does that leave you with? Working beyond the mind, body, and emotions is an exceptionally subtle affair … and many want no part of it … for that reason.

How is one to practice and revise their way out of the “limitations” of the mind … when it is *mind* that runs the entire show down here in the Lower Psychic Worlds … coupled with the emotions … and often trained through the physical body. If you get good at this … you quickly find that you are almost completely on your own … alone … and fewer still want any part of that. This turns out to be no quite true … but … as far as interaction / companionship / lifestyle in the Lower Psychic Worlds … it is very true. Unexpected “lessons” come out of the woodwork … no one seems to know how to handle them … and where does that leave the individual who has yet to develop the strength, courage, stamina, and tolerance to be truly … individual … without becoming a total recluse … without becoming rebellious … without becoming a fanatic?

Second part tomorrow

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[zorkchop]

Considerations 160B …

Perfection / Purification …

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Most … don’t make it. There are lifetimes spent being totally rebellious … withdrawn … and very demanding in “making” others accept them.

But … there are the lifetimes beyond those … and they begin to smooth things out … LIFE becomes a bit more understood at the more fundamental level … the principles are found to be acceptable … and the individual begins to lead a rather quiet yet deeply perceptible life.

Discernment … can only be learned … through experience. You cannot discern … until there are choices to make … at a “lifestyle” level.

People ask … how do you know if you’ve made the right decision?

By where it leads you / how it turns out.

Does it give you a more broad picture of what it is all about? Does it slide a few puzzle pieces into place so there is better recognition of the “Bigger Picture” in the first place? Is there a soft, subtle smoothness that seems to descend … very quietly … and orchestrate a few things that were quite “dis-harmonized” before?

People seem to want the magic wand that will instantly restructure the individuals life and all is well in a matter of a few days … or at the most … a few weeks. They want it … NoW. Forget the tools and methods to get it working over the long run … dispense with all of that … just wave that wand and let me settle back and enjoy.

Good luck.

A fundamental principle is … you cannot “see” beyond where you are until you get there … or at least begin a decided approach. What lies beyond … you juggle the options … and choose which to develop … which to try … which to dismiss. You’ll have plenty of time to try them all. It’s the same principle as … you cannot see what’s in the valley until you climb to the overview. You cannot see what’s in the forest … or even IF it is a forest … until you either step out or above it.

The daily squabbles will always surround you. These Lower Psychic Worlds will always present testing issues. One more time … it’s not what happens to you … but how you play the game … what you do with it all. A tired phrase … but true nonetheless. This single approach helps define … and refine … individual limitations.

NO one is asking you to be a completely unfeeling zombie. Yes … we all spend lifetimes trying to live from variations of that. Again … how else would you learn?

Learning is incredibly specific … and individualized. It is continuous. It is evolving. You cannot stay static … unchanging … stationary … for long in these Lower Psychic Worlds. Yes … there is R&R. Enjoy it if that’s where you are. LIFE will be back to nudge … coerce … persuade … push you into teachings situations soon enough.

Even the true, authentic Masters will tell you … there’s always something more to learn. There is no such thing as what the mind tends to believe “perfection” to be. It’s more of a purifying scenario … learn to work with LIFE as much as you can … be grateful for each and every insight that comes your way … realize that there is really no place to “go” to … it’s more of a getting out of your own way … it’s not what you do or do not know … it’s how you use what you know / have …

And carry on as best you can.

More next Monday.

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[Redchic12]

Talking about people asking how do they know if they have made the right decision. Well my take on this is that YOU DONT.

It’s the INTENT behind the decision that is probably more important. If it was made from the heart without greed, hate or revenge then you know it WAS the right decision whether it works out that way or not.

Sometimes someone has to make a certain decision in the family about something important and so of course YOU make it. If it turns out wrong, so what. It had to be made and you did just that. It takes a lot of courage to make an important decision and when you do, whether right or wrong, pat yourself on the back for having, the guts to do it.

Just my opinion.

[zorkchop]

Redchic12 …

Yes … very true. I have said many times … the path is mostly trial-and-error. A two-fold attribute of reincarnation is that we do not remember the mis-steps from previous lives … and pretty much start all over again with each incarnation. If we vividly remembered … especially the specifics … the length of the path would be drastically shortened. As it is … we most often only remember the general attitudes … and the core beliefs behind them.

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