Physical Death Is the Final OBE

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by SpiritualFreedom

To stay forever on "cosmic consciousness" or to stay forever on "heaven"

Not for me. I am not like that

I want to move, to travel, to morhp into different bodies, to see other non-human planets, to experience wild adventures, to see all of the spectrums of reality with complete freedom, independence and control where the action is.

I will never give up my ego, intelligence, identity and memory in the "afterlife"

One of my OBE goals is to recover that memory lost of who I was back then before this physical life

And yet ego, intelligence, identity and memory are all very limited expressions of what we really are.

There comes a point where we are tired of wild adventures - they are just more limited experiences which have a beginning and an end.

It is ironic that you call yourself SpiritualFreedom. True spiritual freedom is found in stillness, not movement.

Peace

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

... True spiritual freedom is found in stillness, not movement.

Peace

Why do you believe that? My first reaction to this is to disagree.

[Starman]

Originally Posted by SpiritualFreedom

To stay forever on "cosmic consciousness" or to stay forever on "heaven"

Not for me. I am not like that

I want to move, to travel, to morhp into different bodies, to see other non-human planets, to experience wild adventures, to see all of the spectrums of reality with complete freedom, independence and control where the action is.

I will never give up my ego, intelligence, identity and memory in the "afterlife"

One of my OBE goals is to recover that memory lost of who I was back then before this physical life

Heaven is a mental concept but for the sake of discussion we are all already forever in heaven. That is the only place that any of us will forever be. Everything else is but a projection or a reflection, whether it be in this world or beyond. It is all a fantastic dance of shadow and light.

We are all already home; there is no way that we can not be with our source. We are forever connected to God regardless whatever else we may experience. God is what I call the source of life. Every other experience that we may have is temporary. The afterlife is as illusionary as this physical life.

The only permanence is with the One; we are permanently with God, this is my experience, and every other experience that we may have is but a passing fancy; scenery within the source of all. People divide God up and call this part one thing and that part another thing, but it is all God regardless what we may call it.

I strive to see the light of God within myself and in all things, and in all people. Now I respect that you have a different point of view, and it is not my place to try and change your point of view; I am just sharing my experience here. There are as many perspectives as there are creations on Earth, and beyond Earth, and our perspectives do change, especially in time.

Peace and Much Love.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by SpiritualFreedom

To stay forever on "cosmic consciousness" or to stay forever on "heaven"

Not for me. I am not like that

I want to move, to travel, to morhp into different bodies, to see other non-human planets, to experience wild adventures, to see all of the spectrums of reality with complete freedom, independence and control where the action is.

I will never give up my ego, intelligence, identity and memory in the "afterlife"

One of my OBE goals is to recover that memory lost of who I was back then before this physical life

I can sympathize with that. Note that you will get different replies to this comment, depending on people's religion or spiritual path. There's different personalities, different paths. Some paths see all exploration as ''ego'' so it is seen as bad. Oh, and age is a very important variable as well. Loads of older people concerned with spiritual topics, seem tired and worn out, and prefer ''stillness''.

Preferring action or inaction is a personal choice. It's not about being ''spiritually better'' or anything.

I too would love to understand more if there's an afterlife, and discover what is 'out there'.
This is an impression of our known universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=50s

Add to that an afterlife and you'll never ever get bored of exploring. The sky is the limit!

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by iamthat

... True spiritual freedom is found in stillness, not movement.

Originally Posted by inavalan

Why do you believe that? My first reaction to this is to disagree.

Freedom is not about what we can or cannot do.

Real freedom is to know that we exist without limits.

This limitless existence is found in stillness.

After all, if our nature is limitless then how can it move, since it is already everywhere?

Peace

[BlueElephant]

Freedom is Freedom - in stillness and in action - this is my experience. Everything is totally One (energetically) and yet distinct in the plurality (expression). And the dynamic of the two (that are one) well is dynamic... flowing, pulsing, expanding, contracting (but not really), living - dying - changing form.

I love it and to see so many people here online loving it too is really, really nice.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Freedom is not about what we can or cannot do.

Real freedom is to know that we exist without limits.

This limitless existence is found in stillness.

After all, if our nature is limitless then how can it move, since it is already everywhere?

Peace

Thanks. I knew it. I disagree ...

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by BlueElephant

Freedom is Freedom - in stillness and in action - this is my experience. Everything is totally One (energetically) and yet distinct in the plurality (expression). And the dynamic of the two (that are one) well is dynamic... flowing, pulsing, expanding, contracting (but not really), living - dying - changing form.

I love it and to see so many people here online loving it too is really, really nice.

To me, being part of something bigger doesn't mean that you are that. The fact that the separation isn't as we perceive it, doesn't mean that that there isn't individualization both on the same level and hierarchically. There are distinct points of awareness; they aren't one.

[BlueElephant]

Originally Posted by inavalan

To me, being part of something bigger doesn't mean that you are that. The fact that the separation isn't as we perceive it, doesn't mean that that there isn't individualization both on the same level and hierarchically. There are distinct points of awareness; they aren't one.

This is a very good point.

I would say: Individualization in a type of foundational Oneness. I am not GOD him/her self (I use all capitols to mean god who is beyond any creator god).

Being part of something bigger in the Ultimate, I think, is being a real part of GOD. In quality if you will, but not quantity - which words/ ideas falls short of the reality.
In essential quality, the basic quality of spiritual substance, yet lacking in specialized qualities that GOD has.

[Starman]

SpiritualFreedom, If I may offer a suggestion; if you are interested in reincarnation
and memories from past lives it may be easier to seek out a practitioner of “past life regression
therapy.”

This type of therapy is common among those who practice Transpersonal Psychology, and it
basically involves putting a person into a trance, or hypnotic state, and taking them back to
their childhood.

From their childhood they may be taken back to their experience in their mother’s womb, and
then back to a previous life or incarnation. The sessions are recorded so that when the person
is bought out of the trance they can hear what they described while in the trance.

I have witnessed this type of procedure when I attended a demonstration on Regression Therapy
put on by a Transpersonal Psychology Association. I don’t know how much they charge for their
sessions but I found the demonstration intriguing.