Free Will ? What is it ? Illusions What are They ?

Lynn · #1 02-10-2010, 01:10 AM

Free will, the ability of one to make choices, free from certain kinds of constraints.

It is the ability to make a choice on an action that might well have various alternatives. We can look at free will being connected to moral codes of conduct. Where one has to be true to the rules the govern one’s actions. It too goes deeper than just that as we are more than the physical body we have . There is a Soul to us that we too have responsibly to for that path of learning. Free will on that level might well mean just being able to show and know the value of LOVe and to extend that in friendships. NOT to always have it on the level of moral responsibilities.

When we think on illusion we might well think on distortions of the brain. We could well think on a disorganization or distorting of our very own reality. If we take it from the physical point of view we know ( or do we) that our feet are on the ground and we are walking on a solid surface. That is not an illusion.

What is an illusion is hearing a voice that is not there, or is it deeper ?
　
Do we have free will ?

For the most part yes, there are rules of social and moral contacts we must go along with ( or should go along with). That is there to keep society in check and to make it easier for us to function around others. Where free will comes in is maybe more in our alone and private time. In our Mediations and Dreams, where the brain is free to shut off some and the Soul is free to wonder.

There will always be one’s that want to rock the boat and test the limits of right and wrong, too there are one’s that suffer sadly from mental deficiencies that know not what is real and what is not. Til the one day man maybe maps and understands that human brain.

For now we all have to do our best to service our Soul . On that path to Enlightenment and Inner Peace.
　

Lynn
　
　
　

#2 02-10-2010, 03:43 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! !

Verunia · #3 02-10-2010, 04:26 PM

Oh dear, the infamous free will threads. They have returned to SF with a vengeance, haha.

I say why even wonder about free will, why not just enjoy the freedom felt in being alive

But if free will is something, then I think it's a bit overrated.

#4 22-11-2022, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Verunia

Oh dear, the infamous free will threads. They have returned to SF with a vengeance, haha.

I think sadly we are just moving thru time... Everything has already happend,we just dont know it yet....

I would love to think we have FREE WILL but if that was truly the case,people couldnt give readings and what not because NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPEND YET so im not sure......

Unseeking Seeker · #5 23-11-2022, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dude111

I think sadly we are just moving thru time... Everything has already happend,we just dont know it yet....

I would love to think we have FREE WILL but if that was truly the case,people couldnt give readings and what not because NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPEND YET so im not sure......

True. Consider déjà vu, clairvoyance, premonition ~ life, as we experience it, has already been impulsed in the ethereal domain. Free will exists at soul level, where, in my opinion, alignment with truth and love enableability are the goals.

Here on earth, crystallised in organic form, encased in the five sheaths of consciousness and memory of subconscious erased, access to superconscious self-blocked, we function in the narrow bandwidth of conscious mind. But just as in a dream, our free will, should we be aware (most of us aren’t aware or awake), free will yet exists in choosing response to what unfolds. If we take permission, so to say, from our conscience, moment to moment, for each thought, word and deed, gradually we are able to distinguish between urges of mind-body and that of soul or let us say, God’s light. So, operating at soul level whilst present here, yes, I’d say we have free will, otherwise not.

Without awareness, what is free will but instinct?

FallingLeaves · #6 23-11-2022, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dude111

I would love to think we have FREE WILL but if that was truly the case,people couldnt give readings and what not because NOTHING WOULD HAVE HAPPEND YET so im not sure......

the LOA applies here... as long as go about deciding you don't have free will, you don't have it. Because you will further decide there is no point in even trying to choose if you decided don't have freedom to choose in the first place... and the whole thing snowballs.

But you can't prove you have free will either, without denying the very thing you seek to prove.

And this is the problem, our whole makeup is such that we prefer to decide we don't have free will, without even understanding that we are doing that or why it is a bad idea... in fact we even think what we are doing is inherently good.

That said there is hope, the whole point of those who run this reality (in my view) being to bring a sense of more freedom to move about. Which would to some people's dismay also imply less being able to divine other people's future choices on tortoise shells lol...

Jesus talked about what is going on this way:

I come that they may have life, and have it more abundantly.

#7 02-10-2010, 08:16 PM

Will comes into play when we know something from deep within our hearts is telling us to do something and then stick to it, that choice in any one given situation be it right or wrong will happen, it maintains that energy in your heart while you wait for things to move in your wills direction.. just remember a willfull act has already been chosen, it MUST form in your life,

will is a tool for creating, it moves energy from which everything around us is formed, and places in your hands oportunites that your WILL would have placed before you

if you fall you WILL get back up,
if you loose you WILL start again,
if you fail then you WILL succeed,
you fall ill you WILL look forward to being healed

Will takes away the doubt, doubts are little demons in your heaed saying... 'i cant' 'i wont' 'im unable to' RUBBISH.........

I BLOOMIN WILL..

#8 02-10-2010, 08:25 PM

illusions...
like mists in the morning they come
yet i walk amonst the fields and the trees
and see only a blanket of soup before me,

so thick it forms i see no path before me
as i stumble over mine own feet
blinded by the very thing i fear

illusions my friend, illusions
it is as if the heavens have met the earth
and mingled as one

it reveals the rolling mists of illusions as i
climb to see that all the time i was in a valley

#9 02-10-2010, 08:39 PM

could you repeat the question please?

#10 02-10-2010, 11:37 PM

hey i just responded on another thread that seems to be about the same thing only from edgar cayces point of view http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ed=1#post32582 i find him quite interesting for those of you who have not seen the you tube vids on him its a big recommendation from me. theres vids on reincarnation all the way to holistic healthcare.