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Old 10-08-2022, 05:33 PM
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Yes….to the extent that we are creating a modern day Tower of Babel…….
Glass half empty.
I think if we looked at the population differences from now, to say, back to 500 BC...random choice. 2000 BC, I dunno.
The ratio of happy people, spiritually advanced people, maybe healthy people, compared to barbaric, cruel,
miserable, ignorant people...it would be quite interesting.
I wonder of anyone has done a study on this...I say the scale tips to the advanced, content, healthy people now.

I could be wrong, of course. Glass half full, to me.
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Old 10-08-2022, 07:43 PM
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The ratio of happy people, spiritually advanced people, maybe healthy people, compared to barbaric, cruel, miserable, ignorant people...it would be quite interesting. I wonder of anyone has done a study on this...I say the scale tips to the advanced, content, healthy people now.
Yes, this would be interesting, but I don't know how such things could be measured.

I do wonder if things have actually improved, or is it that the problems faced by people of old have been replaced by a completely different set of problems. Which may reflect the fact that humanity continues to evolve.

Taking health as an example, the health issues of 1,000 years ago may now be a distant memory but instead humanity is dealing with a whole new set of health issues. For example, the health problems created by increased obesity and old age, not to mention all the new diseases which have sprung up. Which are treated by a staggering number of prescription drugs which then cause further problems.

It is difficult to compare modern global society with a world where most people never travelled further than 10 miles from their place of birth. But it would be interesting.

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Old 11-08-2022, 01:49 PM
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Glass half empty.
, spiritually advanced people,

I could be wrong, of course. Glass half full, to me.

Spiritually advanced people ? Who and where ? One has to wonder why we quote the ancients…..Rumi, Hafiz, Meister Eckhardt, and countless others. The agrarian societies experienced a more natural connection to God. When we think of modern society we like to think of Manhattan and ignore the proliferation of the universal ghettos. Ask the indigenous people if they are more spiritually advanced than their ancestors. I see a world that is increasingly materialistic rather than spiritual. Maybe I should borrow some rose colored glasses ?…….😁
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Old 11-08-2022, 04:13 PM
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..I say the scale tips to the advanced, content, healthy people now.

me.

Now for my money you have precisely described the very people who do not need God…..nor desire Him……..
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Old 11-08-2022, 06:24 PM
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As an exercise in truth I googled the 15 richest countries in the world and the 15 most religious countries…..there was a direct reverse correlation……basically the richer a country is the less religious it will be…..
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Old 11-08-2022, 06:36 PM
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Spiritually advanced people ? Who and where ? ... I see a world that is increasingly materialistic rather than spiritual.
I see a world that is increasingly both. Even within my lifetime I have seen a huge upsurge in spiritual interests, whatever form such interests may take.

Maybe humanity is now at a crossroads - it will be interesting to see which path is chosen.

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Old 11-08-2022, 06:46 PM
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Spiritually advanced people?
That might be an oxymoron. Yes?

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Who and where?
My buddy and I have a saying: "follow the trail of Money Earning." :P

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One has to wonder why we quote the ancients…..Rumi, Hafiz, Meister Eckhardt, and countless others.
Simple. Lack of originality in expression. Best case scenario, there. Worst case? Parroting.

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The agrarian societies experienced a more natural connection to God.
Closeness to the ground precludes flights of fancy! ;)

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When we think of modern society we like to think of Manhattan and ignore the proliferation of the universal ghettos.
"modern society?" Another oxymoron? I'm too cynical for this...

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Ask the indigenous people if they are more spiritually advanced than their ancestors. I see a world that is increasingly materialistic rather than spiritual. Maybe I should borrow some rose colored glasses ?…….��
I think that you need an attitude adjustment. Spirituality is an avenue which can lead to benevolent behavior amidst a callous cacophony of otherwise narcissistic compromise in this pitiless, contemporary world.
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Old 11-08-2022, 07:35 PM
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[quote=Wagner


I think that you need an attitude adjustment. Spirituality is an avenue which can lead to benevolent behavior amidst a callous cacophony of otherwise narcissistic compromise in this pitiless, contemporary world.[/QUOTE]

My attitude is to seek truths that can be verified. To that purpose the search could be refined. Let others provide verifiable evidence that the well off are demonstrably more spiritual. I might note that this very forum is minuscule in relation to any social grouping. It is to easy to start thinking that everyone is spiritual if one’s contact to the spiritual world is this forum……
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Old 11-08-2022, 07:38 PM
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My attitude is to seek truths that can be verified. To that purpose the search could be refined. Let others provide verifiable evidence that the well off are demonstrably more spiritual. I might note that this very forum is minuscule in relation to any social grouping. It is to easy to start thinking that everyone is spiritual if one’s contact to the spiritual world is this forum……
Good for this forum. But your comment doesn't address what I was actually saying...

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"Truths that can be verified?" I'm a firm proponent of Dharana, though it takes tremendous time and effort. It WILL give you what you seek if you follow it through. :) I guess I can appreciate your chiding in light of this. However, it also means I'll not be complacent to it! :P
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Old 11-08-2022, 08:02 PM
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That might . Spirituality is an avenue which can lead to benevolent behavior amidst a callous cacophony of otherwise narcissistic compromise in this pitiless, contemporary world.

Wagner,

No idea of what you want me to respond to….So I comment on this. I have much firsthand experience that poverty leads to benevolence….the poor are very good at sharing……
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