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Old 22-09-2020, 07:00 PM
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The 50th verse of the Gospel of Thomas reveals the core beliefs of Gnosticism.

Can anybody see what those beliefs are?



Yes and those beliefs are definitely NOT Anti - Christian
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Old 23-09-2020, 02:16 PM
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The 50th verse of the Gospel of Thomas reveals the core beliefs of Gnosticism.

Can anybody see what those beliefs are?

They point to those who have found their Father Complex when achieving Gnosis.

The light is our life force or what they called the spark of god.

Given that we hold no supernatural beliefs, I think this the only way to interpret this.

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Old 23-09-2020, 02:25 PM
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Yes and those beliefs are definitely NOT Anti - Christian

Yes and no.

We are anti the literal reading Christians as they believe in the supernatural and faith based ideology which is evil to Yahweh's core. That is why we use the term demiurge.

We are also against their view that a genocidal god can be a good god.

We continue to seek the best and have discarded Yahweh as moral garbage.

You know all the reasons for that.

We do continue to use the esoteric writing in the bible. We never gave up our Christian connection, in spite of the inquisitions.

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Old 23-09-2020, 06:33 PM
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You've deceived yourselves, by your mortal, fallen natures.

There is no begining!

The timeless, and the eternal are the greater reality and truth.

Revelation 10:6.
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Old 23-09-2020, 08:10 PM
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You've deceived yourselves, by your mortal, fallen natures.

There is no begining!

The timeless, and the eternal are the greater reality and truth.

Revelation 10:6.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8



So the question is... the beginning of what and the ending of what? In my humble interpretation, all things came from Him and all things return to Him, because if He is the First and the Last, then all those in between are also Him and in Him.
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Old 23-09-2020, 08:38 PM
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You've deceived yourselves, by your mortal, fallen natures.

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Why did the god you follow create us with natures that were subject to falling, and then punish us for doing exactly what he designed our natures to do?

Why not make a few of us who would not fall?

If by fall you mean sin, why do Christians sing of Adam's sin being necessary to Yahweh's plan?

Would you somehow prevent your own fall and screw up god's plan for you?

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Old 23-09-2020, 08:44 PM
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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8



So the question is... the beginning of what and the ending of what? In my humble interpretation, all things came from Him and all things return to Him, because if He is the First and the Last, then all those in between are also Him and in Him.

You make logical sense as to what a real god would be like.

But you may have forgotten that he would have to re-absorb Satan and all the demons that came out of Yahweh in the first place. Right?

God was corrupted from the beginning and that is how evil came out of him in the first place in heaven.

Scriptures say that enmity was found in Satan before her expulsion. That enmity had to come out of Yahweh because he created everything, so the myth goes.

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Old 23-09-2020, 09:52 PM
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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8



So the question is... the beginning of what and the ending of what? In my humble interpretation, all things came from Him and all things return to Him, because if He is the First and the Last, then all those in between are also Him and in Him.

I was aware of those scriptures T.M., which caused me to question.
Then I spotted Revelation 10:6, which resolved the issue.

You're not getting it.
Again, in Paradise, Time was not an issue.
It was only after the Fall, and millions of years of evolution in time and space, and involving the organic, wherein this Matrix is developed.

Many think it's the actual reality and truth.
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Old 24-09-2020, 07:28 PM
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The Gospel of Thomas was never canonized.



GOSPEL OF THOMAS
  VERSE 50

(50) Jesus said,

      
             If they say to you:
       ‘Where do you come from?’

                 say to them:
     ‘We have come from the light,
  the place where the light has come
             into being by itself,
         has established itself and
       has appeared in their image.’


              If they say to you:
                   ‘Is it you?’

                       say:
            ‘We are its children,
         and we are the elect of
             the living Father.’


              If they ask you:
    ‘What is the sign of your Father
                among you?’


                say to them:
         ‘It is motion and rest.’"



            

The place "where light came into being by itself" is the "bubble" in emptiness concept. "Established [itself]" is the stable part and "light" could definitely be described as the Holy Spirit ( or Mother).



Finally, the primordial split is Rest (or Void) and Motion ( or change of state of Void/potential). Transmission and Reception is like the manifest polarities or "separation" of the states. It is the beginning of light/form.
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Old 24-09-2020, 07:30 PM
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The Gospel of Thomas was never canonized.



GOSPEL OF THOMAS
  VERSE 49

(49) Jesus said,

      
 "Blessed are the solitary ones
       and the chosen ones.

 For you will find the Kingdom.


       For you came from it
and you will return there again."





            

To me, the chosen part is important. As the best that one can do on their own is make the field fertile (or be ripe). The two become one and surrender and wait. No amount of "effort" or practices can ever bring one to the kingdom of God.
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