Have we forsaken God?

[noyan]

Skimming through the Forums found a thread titled "Has God (The Creator of this Universe) forsaken us?" . Which made me wonder, have we forsaken God by mocking him/her/it ? I mean we as creations are trying to make ourselves physically immortal, hacking our bodies, to upload our minds into robots, advanced AI and other high Tech, curing disease, also to create robots like us, destroying other living beings, the environment and this planet ? Isn't this mocking God's creation since he/she/it hasn't invented such things and we're sort of throwing mud at him?

[Dargor]

God is supposed to be omniscient, so he knew beforehand what would become of humanity prior to creating us. And therefore, he willingly agreed on all those terms. Now, taking the fact into account that God treats some people as his personal favorites while others as subhumans only proves my point further that he failed us. We owe that sky-nazi nothing.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

God is supposed to be omniscient, so he knew beforehand what would become of humanity prior to creating us. And therefore, he willingly agreed on all those terms. Now, taking the fact into account that God treats some people as his personal favorites while others as subhumans only proves my point further that he failed us. We owe that sky-nazi nothing.

You seem to consider God in very personal terms, as if God were some gigantic deeply flawed human being. Who are these personal favourites and subhumans? How has God failed you?

Peace

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by iamthat

You seem to consider God in very personal terms, as if God were some gigantic deeply flawed human being. Who are these personal favourites and subhumans? How has God failed you?

Peace

Because he doesn't give everyone the same privileges. He chooses to bless one person while cursing another person with nothing but misery. He chooses to answer one prayer while ignoring others. And most importantly, he makes awful stuff happen to people who don't deserve these things coming to them, and apparently takes great delight in making people suffer while receiving their praise at the same time. There is so much more to say, but it's late here and I'm rather tired. However, I think you at least get the picture of what I've said...

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

Because he doesn't give everyone the same privileges. He chooses to bless one person while cursing another person with nothing but misery. He chooses to answer one prayer while ignoring others. And most importantly, he makes awful stuff happen to people who don't deserve these things coming to them, and apparently takes great delight in making people suffer while receiving their praise at the same time. There is so much more to say, but it's late here and I'm rather tired. However, I think you at least get the picture of what I've said...

Statements worth pondering over.

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

God is supposed to be omniscient, so he knew beforehand what would become of humanity prior to creating us. And therefore, he willingly agreed on all those terms. Now, taking the fact into account that God treats some people as his personal favorites while others as subhumans only proves my point further that he failed us. We owe that sky-nazi nothing.

Don't forget you signed up for this and you have Free Will, all of us did, so we shouldn't blame God for our own short-comings.

He's probably sitting there banging his head and wondering if, with all the faculties he bestowed on his creations, this is the best they can come up with? So really, who is failing at what?

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Don't forget you signed up for this and you have Free Will, all of us did, so we shouldn't blame God for our own short-comings.

He's probably sitting there banging his head and wondering if, with all the faculties he bestowed on his creations, this is the best they can come up with? So really, who is failing at what?

I'm afraid I've got a little problem here. Because you see, I don't remember signing up for anything at all. I'm forced to be here against my own will because a couple decided having kids would be fun.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by noyan

Skimming through the Forums found a thread titled "Has God forsaken us?" . Which made me wonder, have we forsaken God by mocking him/her/it ? I mean we as creations are trying to make ourselves physically immortal, hacking our bodies, to upload our minds into robots, advanced AI, curing disease, also to create robots like us, destroying other living beings, the environment and this planet? Isn't this mocking God's creation since he/she/it hasn't invented such things?

I would say that some have "forsaken God" and some have not. Some believe, but have absolutely no faith and some disbelieve, so that their lack of faith is fully justified.

Some will say that a loving God would not allow suffering to happen, so either there IS no God, or God is Satan pretending to be God. Others will say they have personally experienced God's Love and Grace to know that God has a plan for humanity which goes beyond the limited human mind to grasp such things. Others will say that these people are "delusional" or "crazy" and so the concept of "demonic possession" was created so as to make others not personally responsible for saying bad things against God or those who worship Him.

I personally love and believe in God...and I don't really care what anybody else has to say about that.

In fact, I can PROVE that we are not all "one" and each of us is "separate" due to the totally incongruous and irreconcilable differences of experiences and understandings each one of us has on a daily basis...because I am forever in the verbal expression of the mantra "I am not you and you are not me" whenever somebody says "what I would do if I were you is..." or "I reject your reality and substitute my own"...so I gave up trying to find any "commonality" with my fellow human beings ages ago, because doing that just wasn't working out...

So, I try not to forsake God AS God (and not what He only appears to be)...I still realise that I could be doing a lot more in that department though.

[Jainarayan]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Some will say that a loving God would not allow suffering to happen, so either there IS no God, or God is Satan pretending to be God. Others will say they have personally experienced God's Love and Grace to know that God has a plan for humanity which goes beyond the limited human mind to grasp such things.

I personally don't believe either of those approaches. I believe the Hindu take on it: "The standard problem of evil found in monotheistic religions does not apply to almost all traditions of Hinduism because it does not posit an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent creator. ..."

I personally love and believe in God...and I don't really care what anybody else has to say about that.

Yeah, same here. I don't blame God for bad things that come to me, but I do thank him for the good things I like to think of as his blessings. He's capable only of good.

In fact, I can PROVE that we are not all "one" and each of us is "separate" due to the totally incongruous and irreconcilable differences of experiences and understandings each one of us has on a daily basis...because I am forever in the verbal expression of the mantra "I am not you and you are not me" whenever somebody says "what I would do if I were you is..." or "I reject your reality and substitute my own"...so I gave up trying to find any "commonality" with my fellow human beings ages ago, because doing that just wasn't working out...

I lean towards Viśiṣṭādvaita, but I think we are in reality, one. It's the māyā and avidyā of the world that makes us see the differences.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by noyan

Skimming through the Forums found a thread titled "Has God forsaken us?" . Which made me wonder, have we forsaken God by mocking him/her/it ? I mean we as creations are trying to make ourselves physically immortal, hacking our bodies, to upload our minds into robots, advanced AI, curing disease, also to create robots like us, destroying other living beings, the environment and this planet? Isn't this mocking God's creation since he/she/it hasn't invented such things?

Which God(s)/god(s) are you talking about?