The Lord's Prayer.

[sky]

Should the opening line of the Lord's Prayer be altered to.....
Our Parent who art in heaven?
I personally don't think so but today here in the UK the Bishops and Officials from the Anglican Church (Church of England) are meeting to decide. If it goes ahead what other Scriptures will they alter to make God Gender neutral, I believe they are opening a can of worms....

[keiw1]

[quote=sky]Should the opening line of the Lord's Prayer be altered to.....
Our Parent who art in heaven?

Its nothing new. Gods written word has been altered by satans will already. The removal of Gods personal name in about 7000 places is one of the biggest atrocities ever. God inspired his name in those spots because he wants it there. Only religions that remain in darkness refuse to put it back. They as well condemned the ones who did put it back. Think about that.
That is sick thinking trying to alter that to parent. It shows whose will they follow.

[Miss Hepburn]

Did Jesus say Parent? No. So, no change.

[Mora321]

There are various accounts that The Lord's Prayer is based on activating the Tree of Life as it fits on the human.

For example:

"Each line of the Lord’s Prayer is actually like a password phrase to trigger or turn on or highly awaken each of the power centers. It’s just like a key to each one. It turns them on and then when that happens as that divine energy comes down when you say the Lord’s Prayer in a certain way all the chakras are been cleansed, highly activated, energized and charged increasing your spiritual connection and accelerating your spiritual development"

https://www.thepranichealers.com/uni...-prayer-course

Or

Our Father (Chokmah)
Which art in heaven (Binah)
Hallowed be thy name (Keter/Da’at)
Thy kingdom come (Chesed)
Thy will be done (Gevurah)
On earth, as it is in heaven (Tiferet)
Give us this day our daily bread (Netzach)
Forgive us our sin as we forgive those who sin against us (Hod)
Lead us not into temptation, and deliver us from evil. (Yesod)


http://www.13petals.org/kabbalah/the...-lords-prayer/

There is some academic argument about whether the NT was written before the OT so what is obvious may not be true

https://books.google.com.au/books/ab...MC&redir_esc=y

[eezi-ulgen]

Nice read/post @Mora321
When we can see the energies that relate to YHVH we can have a better understanding of our energetic workings.
Which gives deeper meanings to Biblical readings, Prayer and contemplation/meditation.

YHVH= Usually translated as God in the Bible.

[Maisy]

I think maybe Jesus called God his father because he didn't have a real one. Jesus's mom got pregnant by the holy spirit, not Joseph, so God was literally Jesus's father.

Mary is told in the bible by the angel Gabriel that God will be the father of Jesus.

Luke 1:26-38
New International Version

26 God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.

30 the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will ..."

Matthew 1:18

Birth of Jesus
18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ took place. When Mary his mother was engaged to Joseph, before they were married, she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

[Maisy]

Abun d-bashmayo - That's the first line of the lords prayer from the original source in Aramaic that was later translated into Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Greek.

I don't think Jesus ever said the phrase "Our Father" from researching on the internet just now.

I did some internet digging around and found out the phrase "Our Father" only appeared when the original Arabic text was translated into Greek. The Greek translators changed the Arabic word Abun into the Greek word Abba which means father. Aramaic scholars tell us abun does not mean father. Abun means Spirit of Light, Birther of the Cosmos.

So the first line of the Lord's Prayer that Jesus said was actually "Spirit of Light, Birther of the Cosmos, focus your light within us. Make it useful."

https://www.douglasucc.org/homilies/...-aramaic-jesus

[Miss Hepburn]

''The Aramaic word "Abba" (אבא), meaning "Father" is used by Jesus in Mark 14:36
also appears in Romans 8:15 and Galatians 4:6.''

What did Jesus really say, then?
Abba is Greek...Jesus didn't speak Greek among his crowd. So he never said Abba? But, Abun? Whoa.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Maisy

https://www.douglasucc.org/homilies/...-aramaic-jesus

Finally, someone says this- Also in this link pretty far down:

" And when Jesus says my name, he wasn't referring to a personal name.
The Aramaic word for name is more in line of “my energy, my vibration, my spirit.”

Hallelujah! ^

''So really what he was saying, that no one can come to the Father except through my name is,
“No one can experience fully the birther of the cosmos, the spirit of the light,
except through the energy or vibration of the Christ,” which he said is within each one of us.
So that takes on a very different meaning.''

YES! Hello?

[boyce]

If the Church of England does decide to try gender neutral words, I hope it's bold when making the changes. It's not got a good track record for boldness though. :(