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Old 09-08-2022, 02:00 PM
HITESH SHAH HITESH SHAH is offline
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Why considering the creation of the word Parabrahman - Para is a Sanskrit word which translates literally to mean "supreme," "highest" or "absolute" - if it’s not the ground afore Brahman-Ishwara, then the Real Supreme Reality Source ?

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Ishwar is not used as a terminology . It is used to refer the divine force either in human form (Sagun Sakar - with form and qualities ) to abstract (Nirgun nirakar - formless without qualities)

Ishwar is what God is in Judaism and Christianity. There are many names used for the source of this universe in Hindu religion, such as Ishwar, Pameshwar, Parmatma, Bhagwan, omkaar, Jagadish or Raam. Ishwar has no form .

Many a times all divine figures such as Vishnu, Shiva or Brahma are also referred to as Ishwar / God incarnate .

If you are looking to understand the theology than right word for all of human incarnate God/ Ishwar is 'Avatar' which literally means coming down of supreme consciousness in miniature form in a limited human body form with all its limitations.

Now the way one may feel assignment of 'God'/Ishwar title on human form arbitrary , the same way assigning any other divine role to human such as 'son' or 'messenger' or 'enlightened' also can look arbitrary .
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From the Advaita perspective the only relationship between Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman is ignorance, and that ignorance is Nirguna Brahman's reflection as Saguna Brahman. Remove the ignorance and there is only Nirguna Brahman.
Not sure exactly what you imply by word 'ignorance' . But there is tremendous value in Saguna Brahman . All religions allude qualities to God including . So considering Sagun Brahman as ignorance may not be the first thing for one to learn . And doing that may not be the guarantee for Nirgun Brahman realization .
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Old 16-08-2022, 08:55 AM
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Not sure exactly what you imply by word 'ignorance' . But there is tremendous value in Saguna Brahman . All religions allude qualities to God including . So considering Sagun Brahman as ignorance may not be the first thing for one to learn . And doing that may not be the guarantee for Nirgun Brahman realization .
The ignorance is thinking there's a difference. Swami Vivekananda put it this way. Everything is not. Brahman alone is.
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Old 10-03-2023, 06:16 PM
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ISHWARA is supreme consciousness of the east, and the Christ principle is the supreme consciousness of the west, both are in truth ONE of the same thing.

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Old 12-03-2023, 10:33 PM
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The most prominent realizer of Advaita Vedanta in recent time is still Ramana Maharshi. Here is something from David Godman, his chronicler, on Ishwara.

"The mind brings an illusory world into existence, dividing it into a seer and seen: a jiva who appears to inhabit the body, and an external world that is witnessed by it. When this projection takes place, Iswara, the God who supervises this creation, is also created. This God, the God who creates and sustains the world, is a mental creation, meaning that when the mind dies, the jiva, the world and God die with it, leaving Self alone. Iswara allocates karma to devotees and ensures that each devotee experiences the consequences of his and her actions. Here are some interesting answers that Paul Brunton elicited from Bhagavan on Iswara and his role in devotees’ lives:

Question: Is there a separate being Iswara who is the rewarder of virtue and punisher of sins? Is there a God?

Bhagavan: Yes.

Question: What is he like?

Bhagavan: Iswara has individuality in mind and body, which are perishable, but at the same time he also has the transcendental consciousness and liberation inwardly.

Iswara the personal God, the supreme creator of the universe really does exist. But this is only true from the relative standpoint of those who have not realised the truth, those people who believe in the reality of individual souls. From the absolute standpoint the sage cannot accept any other existence than the impersonal Self, one and formless.

Iswara, God, the creator, the personal God, is the last of the unreal forms to go. Only the absolute being is real. Hence, not only the world, not only the ego, but also the personal God are of unreality. We must find the absolute – nothing else.

(Conscious Immortality 1st ed, pp. 7, 8, 10, and 180-1)

Quote from https://www.davidgodman.org/god-the-scriptwriter/

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Old 13-03-2023, 12:57 AM
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The most prominent realizer of Advaita Vedanta in recent time is still Ramana Maharshi.
Here is something from David Godman, his chronicler, on Ishwara.
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Old 16-03-2023, 07:16 PM
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Today I came across an extended NDE description of meeting Ishwara, or the Energy Being referenced by that term ie Creator Deity. This Being sounds very similar to what other NDErs such as Nanci Danison refer to as "Source", and of course "God" is also a common term.

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1kevin_l_nde.html


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Old 16-03-2023, 11:11 PM
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I know how may never click onto links let alone read down far enough to get to his NDE, finally...
here is a 3 sentence excerpt...as he is 'dying':

" Is this God I am looking at? But comparing this entity to what our earthly religion teaches us
shows how infantile and na´ve we humans are. Comparing this entity to God would be like comparing
a 300-megaton nuclear weapon to a firecracker and saying they produce the same effects.''

PS I just read every word. :) Wow. This entity seemed like billions of yrs old....and the love and patience, :), like most NDEs.
Highly recommend.
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Old 24-03-2023, 10:32 AM
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Yes, whatever you believe comes true for you. A Deity or Higher Power can take whatever form it likes, and can also take any possible form, including that of a human. If you believe this, you will experience the great unseen, and the great seen in the form of high-vibration people.
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Old 26-03-2023, 01:57 PM
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ishwara - personal God

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Iswara, God, the creator, the personal God, is the last of the unreal forms to go. Only the absolute being is real. Hence, not only the world, not only the ego, but also the personal God are of unreality. We must find the absolute – nothing else.

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But comparing this entity to what our earthly religion teaches us
shows how infantile and na´ve we humans are. Comparing this entity to God would be like comparing
a 300-megaton nuclear weapon to a firecracker and saying they produce the same effects.''

Indeed there can be some element of truth for some . However you need to review trinity doctrine which say Father/Son are same and not same in one go .
When it says the father & son are same / one ( one God existing in three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial divine persons God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit,) , its also the infantile and naive in view of that quoted line.

However i firmly differ in this. It (trinity doctrine) is not infantile and naive of humans .It is in fact ingenuity of humans to make it easier for their fellow beings to follow the great formless and characterless with least difficulty and with extreme ease..

You may wish re-visit quoted views in light of Trinity doctrine which is just wonderful and the quoted text looks prejudiced bigotry views and opinions.
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