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Old 22-11-2022, 07:20 PM
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lemex …

This may get a bit wordy … but here goes …

“Dreams” are complicated by the varied uses of the word. Keeping it simple … dreams at night are Soul’s journeys into the other planes / worlds / dimensions. Soul … being non-physical … has absolutely no requirement to lay Itself down for rest at night … and so … leaves the body and journeys into the other realms … probably 90% of them being onto some level or sub-level of the astral … where most every Soul has spent a LOT of time during It’s physical incarnations. These levels of the astral are *so* varied … so massive … that we can journey here forever … if that’s our preference.

We can often “direct” our dreams by “dreaming” of them … or remembering them in detail … “reliving” them as we sit or lie quietly … and draw us right back into the astral at that level. Memory certainly plays a part here … but your “dreaming inner vision” often directs Soul Itself to where It will journey. In a sense … daydreaming. That can play a vital part in a lot of what we learn and where we journey … staying incredibly generic here. The whole night “dream” scenario is vast. Lots of levels and development of abilities.

However … I often allude to “revision” work or “design” work or “goal” work … and this too … is a level of dreaming … as we close our eyes and imagine / in-vision / envision / in-teract / in-volve / etc ourselves with the entire facet of vision … how we use vision … what can it develop for us and how can we use / learn from it … as well as “design” with it.

This … is vital. In this sense … this is exactly what you are doing when you do this whole revision / etc work … in that you are dreaming yourself into your future reality by en-visioning it *now* … and waiting for other facets to catch up and manifest it / bring it into your lifestyle.

So … and here’s a kicker … since this latter level of dreaming is actually what brings about most any development … and this level of dreaming brings about the outer scenarios that we all live with … the “illusion” part of this level of dreaming was drawn up to portray that the outer life is indeed an illusion brought about by the inner dream use. It’s a spin-off of the chicken / egg gambit … but in this case … the inner vision comes first … manifesting into outer life … carried out through all the dimensions / planes of all Lower Psychic Worlds. It is correct to claim that the outer life is “illusion” … for this reason. We have been taught on SO many levels that the outer life comes first … it is “real” … and that the inner life is just … folly / imagination / pretending. Since the outer life is SO commanding here … this misleading teachings … works.

So you can now see … in the end … all you put in your post above is true … the dream *does* work … there is *learning* to be discovered and used … the dream is more “real” then the outer life that it creates because it *is* the determinant … etc.

And as far as dreams are concerned on *any* level … people stay within their preferred and learned levels of dreaming … both in where they nightly journey … and in how they use “revisionary” dreaming to design their life. Most dismiss this entire latter practice. Affirmations tie into all of this … that’s a “level” of dreaming … focusing here or there … trying to “draw” yourself into a differing reality … in the end … an outer reality.

Soul Itself can be “multi-present” if that has been learned. Consciousness is the giant sea of existence … and Soul Itself is an individualized focused awareness entity … dreaming Itself along whether It knows it or not … getting caught up in misdirections right from the start and spending eons getting out of them and into more misdirections … all designed to make Soul Itself learn … eventually … that It has total control over what It dreams … then what It develops inwardly and outwardly … then what It experiences … and eventually … how it serves Life … and God.

If you followed all of that … any of you … you have a fabulous grasp on what it’s all about … whether you know it or not.

Now it all depends on what you’re going to do with it.

Isn’t that always the question?

Hope this helps.

On we go.

( Maybe this should have been a series of posts in the Body, Emotions, Mind … and Beyond thread. ) ( LoL )

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Old 26-11-2022, 01:48 PM
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11-26-22A …

The body or the mind does not really have the ability to perceive external objects. They are mechanical. Our senses are mechanical. You can stare at the ceiling and just perceive it … and think nothing about it … so you are just “seeing” it through mechanical means. It is the conscious self that is doing this … using the senses to observe.

The conscious self illuminates the organic functions … the perceptions of the body. The conscious self just … physically senses.

The intelligent self discerns.

This is the source of consciousness and knowledge. This discerns / discriminates / analyzes / etc. The intelligent self determine what to do with what you sense or see.

This is when you begin to draw distinctions … and discriminations … and make advancements by determine what is beneficial or not.

All around you as this center are innumerable states of consciousness … and you draw to yourself the one you are living at the moment because of your habits / patterns / thoughts / emotions / ethics / beliefs / etc.

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Old 27-11-2022, 04:37 PM
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11-27-22A …

There is a huge difference between gathering knowledge or data and seeking greater Truth. Many will simply deny that greater Truth exists at all. This is certainly a phase that all go through at one time or another.

Very few want to find greater Truth … fewer still actually try to walk that Path.

Soul is a unit of awareness and always acs as a channel regardless of Its state.

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Old 28-11-2022, 06:12 PM
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11-28-22A …

True security comes from knowing Truth … and not from knowledge … although knowledge is a useable factor when one must complete their responsibilities on the Lower Psychic Worlds in earning a living, etc.

The Lower Psychic Worlds is the realm of the intellect … of comparison, analysis, juggling parts, data, reason, logic … of dissection … of living with the parts … and continuously juggling and manipulating and re-interpreting these parts around to make the information ore acceptable to the individual at the moment.

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Old 29-11-2022, 03:27 PM
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11-29-22A …

You eventually get tired of thinking. You start to use the habit of thought to your advantage and come up with phrases that lead to a broadening of perception … “I easily think of greater Truth” or whatever. Make lists of things to focus on … and get the mind to focus on more broad principles. You will get to the point where mind does not chatter and squawk that much anymore … and you can directly use mind when you need to … but it is acceptant of being quite silent otherwise. You are “aware” during those moments without the mental chatter. Mind does not always pound away with habitual thought.

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Old 30-11-2022, 02:19 PM
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11-30-22A …

The first cause substance … what brings anything about on any level … is consciousness. Everything … on all levels … comes about by the consciousness of some entity … exceptionally lofty or common newbie … focusing their consciousness on a thought / desire / what that entity believes to be true or wishes to bring into manifestation … or … to pass on the forces and energies from the higher to lower … as happens from the Pure God Worlds down to the Lower Psychic Worlds.

The first cause substance is not … light … as is widely taught. All that appears to be circumstances / conditions / situations / beliefs / situations / experiences … are brought about first by consciousness. This should *not* be new to you.

This is why the inner worlds are more important to interact with on a regular basis than the outer physical world … which admittedly … demands and commands our time and focus … just to exist here. One can swing from a focus on the inner to the outer … seemingly instantly. I would not want to focus inwardly as I’m driving through heavy traffic on the freeway.

If you concentrate on the external world … you are focusing on what has already been brought into manifestation … and this will not change until YoU change it … and this must be from *your* perspective only … and not trying to force all around you to change to your viewpoint so that others change / cater to new patterns and you do not.

That … is power over. That … is control.

Soul Itself was not created to learn how to control others … only to control Itself.

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Old 30-11-2022, 04:46 PM
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Very few want to find greater Truth … fewer still actually try to walk that Path.
I think knowledge has a place and not to be rejected as being not part of path. There is knowledge of experience. So there is not only physical experience and physical knowledge. We are told knowledge for instance when teachers teach and there is new information which helps us along. It is given. It is only knowledge at this point. Knowledge in union with experience happens sometimes later. New knowledge helps one find experience hidden within.

I love this question and asked myself the same question out loud to hear it with my ears years ago. Hearing it out loud pulled it from silence, pulling it from me to reflect back into silence, itself a part of journey. Hearing it makes it more real.

I have always felt knowledge is first, experience follows, the aligns. It becomes easier to reject truth rejecting knowledge. It is self serving. Learning is knowledge. I think of learning as knowledge. True, knowledge is always incomplete.
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Old 30-11-2022, 06:41 PM
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lemex …

Very nice. Nice summary of the entire concept.

Another way to put it … I hope I put it somewhere … probably in BEMB … “One has to believe … in order to know.”

In other words … get the information … believe in it to at least give it a test run … use it for a while … plug it in and see what puzzle pieces fall into place / what clarifies as a result of the test run … then you “know” … backed up by personal experience.

And yes … “knowledge” … or data gathering … is always incomplete … and will always be built upon.

But true learning has given way to just data gathering. People collect data as a hobby … an interest … a curiosity … and rarely gather to actually plug in and test out.

Such is the way of this world at the moment.

Thanks, lemex

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Old 01-12-2022, 02:21 PM
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12-1-22A …

Most everyone knows and understands that the path is abounding with mistakes that we make. How we deal with these mistakes helps design our success or sluggishness in our own path ahead. All of this is incredibly difficult when we discover that we have been doing something detrimental … or limiting … or erroneous … and we have believed we have been right in that behavior. NO one likes to find out that we’ve been wrong … very wrong … in a behavior or viewpoint that we’ve been using forever.

When that happens … we have two main options … we can rebel … we can get angry … we can refuse to look / see … we can dismiss … we can get resentful / bitter / offended … OR … we can acknowledge it as a springboard … that finally LIFE … in some way … has gotten a main lesson across to us that we have previously been blind to … and we can set about the task of revising or learning a more beneficial approach / viewpoint.

When the proverbial piano drops on your head … it’s time to take notice. Yes … we can deny and dismiss again … but I personally do not like the second Grand Piano confrontation … or perhaps … the dreaded continuous pile-driver.

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Old 02-12-2022, 02:11 PM
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12-2-22A …

The various web sites … the scriptures … the books … the organized religions … what I often term as the “conventional” … just reminds one of the higher truths … but do nothing to “get you to them.”

The working method / answer … is to live these truths. And the higher truths are certainly VERY different than the rules and regulations we have to live down here … mostly for peaceful / compatible interaction … rules of society / etc. Most people understand what it is all about … but do not how to live the higher truths … especially while here in the Lower Psychic Worlds.

Or they let their old habits control them and they cannot even get a glimpse of what the higher truths may be … let alone to live them.

Methodology … technique … is key. This trains you in how to live them. Data gathering … does not. Exercise and revision. To go in and discover what and who you are … what your habits and patterns are … uncover if they are beneficial or detrimental … and then decide upon your choices.

So many people … when they take up new technique … they want it to work the first half-dozen times. Doesn’t work that way … especially when working with long-standing habits and patterns. Old habits are hard to break.

Most people believe that you can just break / stop a habit … and do not realize that this leaves a void … which *will* be filled … more often than not with something you do not want. So … to “break a habit” … you choose a newer / stronger one to replace it. Form a new more beneficial one of your choosing.

This … is an aspect of discipline.

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