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Old 14-11-2020, 10:38 PM
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" Why do we feel we need to praise God?"

I'd expand this a little. We feel an urge need to praise and worship (worth-ship) something. Be it God, ourselves, money, power, love, etc. Religion exists to limit the power of ego, and connect us to the whole. We can praise selfishness and greed, or unconditional love and beauty. Division or wholeness. Choosing God (or whichever sacred name you prefer) is choosing wholeness.

"I didn't ask to come here."

My understanding is that we didn't come here from somewhere else, nor were we created from nothing. We are an expression of life that is ever present, but has the ability of a self awareness of separateness. The apple doesn't ask to grow on the tree, it doesn't come into the world from another place, it is just part of the overall process of life.
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Old 16-11-2020, 12:18 PM
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The planet is thickly dotted with places of worship of all kinds. A list of all such places would take up a couple of A4 pages. In my town of 20,000 people there are two main churches, very often even the smallest community has such a building.
The BBC has a programme 'Songs of Praise' on a Sunday - I always like to watch this half-hour I find it very uplifting although it's not something I would personally involve myself.
It does however disturb me that God wants to be praised - and for one very simple reason really.

I didn't ask to come here.

Why I should be plonked into life without my permission is a fundamental ignoring of any basic rights I may have had. Especially if the outcome at the end is a sojourn in a hell or heaven which I really don't need. Yes, I would have preferred to have been asked.

And there is another reason; What sort of ego does this entity we call God have? Why on earth should he want to be continually praised? Maybe of course he doesn't and we simply think he does. In spite of half of the world existing in poverty and hunger those we accept as religious leaders seem to think it's OK to grovel on one's knees and accept our lot - a lot which can vary (for some reason) from monarch to drain sweeper.

I'm not saying that I am unhappy with my lot - in fact the opposite would be true - but I would like to have the feeling that I had a say in the matter.
Does God have an ego, or is that a human attribute that God experiences in and through us?

The import of praising God is that of conscious recognition of purpose, thereby creating a conscious relationship that is not based on fear, and therefore also the receptivity towards an invocation and utilization that is ultimately based on God’s Necessity (why we came here) which becomes our opportunity.

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Old 16-11-2020, 01:28 PM
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Does God have an ego, or is that a human attribute that God experiences in and through us?~ J
Oh.
Never thought of that. Good one.
But, I've never pondered God's 'ego'.
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Old 16-11-2020, 07:35 PM
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The planet is thickly dotted with places of worship of all kinds. A list of all such places would take up a couple of A4 pages. In my town of 20,000 people there are two main churches, very often even the smallest community has such a building.
The BBC has a programme 'Songs of Praise' on a Sunday - I always like to watch this half-hour I find it very uplifting although it's not something I would personally involve myself.
It does however disturb me that God wants to be praised - and for one very simple reason really.

I didn't ask to come here.

Why I should be plonked into life without my permission is a fundamental ignoring of any basic rights I may have had. Especially if the outcome at the end is a sojourn in a hell or heaven which I really don't need. Yes, I would have preferred to have been asked.

And there is another reason; What sort of ego does this entity we call God have? Why on earth should he want to be continually praised? Maybe of course he doesn't and we simply think he does. In spite of half of the world existing in poverty and hunger those we accept as religious leaders seem to think it's OK to grovel on one's knees and accept our lot - a lot which can vary (for some reason) from monarch to drain sweeper.

I'm not saying that I am unhappy with my lot - in fact the opposite would be true - but I would like to have the feeling that I had a say in the matter.
"God praising", "praying", "rituals" aren't for God, they are for you. Their purpose is to make you receptive to inner guidance.

(Obviously) you don't know why you came here, and if you agreed it or not. You just don't recall. Probably you came here for your own good, as somebody goes willingly or unwillingly to school, to work, to sleep, eats, sheats, ...
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Old 21-11-2020, 07:16 PM
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Don't you still realize that god is within your higher self? That god is your own imagination as we human label it?


What you can imagine, you can create. That's god.

God is your own imagination.


If you worship some external being, instead than your own imagination from your higher self, you will suffer the consequences of the life of the powerless victim until the end of times.


The majority of people are wrong in almost everything. Just look at their lives, they're unseccessful in almost everything.

The majority of people think that god is an external being in the clouds, and it does as he pleases.


So...Wouldn't be more smarter to think the opposite of everyone?

That god is your own imagination within yourself?

Worship your own imagination and you will be successful, happy, free & powerful.

Because to god everything is possible, and that is your own imagination


Praise you own imagination that's what you have to do
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Old 21-11-2020, 08:22 PM
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Neville Goddard sure thinks God is our imagination! (And others - esp the New Thought folks.)
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Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
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Old 22-11-2020, 02:01 PM
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Don't you still realize that god is within your higher self? That god is your own imagination as we human label it?




God is your own imagination.







That god is your own imagination within yourself?

USE your own imagination and you will be successful, happy, free & powerful.

Because to god everything is possible, and that is your own imagination


Praise you own imagination that's what you have to do


I agree - to a great extent.


That world out there is your world. The one you moved into when you came out of the womb.

You were the one who created yourself in your mother's womb, the blueprint of yourself existed in your mind as a seed lies in the earth.

It's the same world as a baby elephant experiences but to a different degree.
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Old 27-11-2020, 01:14 AM
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I don't think anyone should praise God if they don't feel moved to. One of the basics of following dharma is to be honest, and it would be dishonest to say you like someone if you don't. I don't think it's possible to lie to God, anyway.

Karma and reincarnation are the only explanation I know of, for how horrific life can be. Not to dwell on it, but my life has not been easy and I do accept this is all my karma.

I praise Durga because I adore her. Basically, what Miss Hepburn said.

In case this makes an interesting addition to the conversation, in Bhagavad Gita 7.16, Krishna mentions some other situations where religious people will turn to God (presumably, in praise), which he lists as: when they are in distress, when they want material wealth, when they are curious and when they desire the knowledge that will lead to liberation.
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Old 03-12-2020, 11:45 AM
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The planet is thickly dotted with places of worship of all kinds. A list of all such places would take up a couple of A4 pages. In my town of 20,000 people there are two main churches, very often even the smallest community has such a building.
The BBC has a programme 'Songs of Praise' on a Sunday - I always like to watch this half-hour I find it very uplifting although it's not something I would personally involve myself.
It does however disturb me that God wants to be praised - and for one very simple reason really.

I didn't ask to come here.

Why I should be plonked into life without my permission is a fundamental ignoring of any basic rights I may have had. Especially if the outcome at the end is a sojourn in a hell or heaven which I really don't need. Yes, I would have preferred to have been asked.

And there is another reason; What sort of ego does this entity we call God have? Why on earth should he want to be continually praised? Maybe of course he doesn't and we simply think he does. In spite of half of the world existing in poverty and hunger those we accept as religious leaders seem to think it's OK to grovel on one's knees and accept our lot - a lot which can vary (for some reason) from monarch to drain sweeper.

I'm not saying that I am unhappy with my lot - in fact the opposite would be true - but I would like to have the feeling that I had a say in the matter.
Darling.... It's me again... ( Some call me their worst nightmare ...others compare me to the best thing since sliced bread...!)... I myself would "compare myself" to "equally" important " to God!!.... Why ?... You need to ask ?... Am I not a goddess in his likeness ????.....ok.. so maybe not as dramatic as that...and maybe not even a goddess , although you would have to speak to prior partners, although the word "prior" speaks for itself and they would probably lie !!!!...... Of course my dear lovely Busby you are not un-happy with your "lot".... And why would you be ?.. I too like to watch "songs of praise".... I was especially happy the one time it was aired in "Hull"... And that warms my heart. HOWEVER... I Do NOT watch it to praise God or pray to him... I watch it because it makes me feel "warm " inside.....And I KNOW that YOU know, that we both know the answer to your 2 main questions.......... Firstly.... You DID want to be born. You gave permission prior to birth..... And secondly ... God does NOT want to be praised !!!!..... That is a man made thing by the church.... He never wanted to be praised .... Or it quite defeats the object !!.... Hope you are safe and well .... And blessings to you...
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Old 03-12-2020, 12:22 PM
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It's very difficult my dear little Elfin, to keep secrets from you. The very name Elfin conjures up woods and oak trees swathed in ivy and glades dotted with wild mushrooms and those little fairy circles which appear when nature's secrets are exposed.
It has to be the spontaneity of your retorts, replies and ideas which make you such an appealing observer.
Yes, of course I know that I gave permission to be 'born' - I gave it to myself, it was me who after the initial spark completed my planned physical journey in the womb of my mother. We are continually present in this state or condition we call awareness.
And, yes, I do know that god doesn't want to be praised, 'he' would much prefer it if we all simply busied ourselves and polished our own doorsteps. We are here to help evolution turn chaos into order not to fell trees across the pathways.

I trust you are persevering with your acts of patience and that the air is clearing.

Calling me 'darling' is very naughty.
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The constantly promoted belief (induced by religions) that we are born to be good and obey (in order to enter heaven) is a tragic error in the concept of the universe's plan and an insult to mankind's intellect.

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