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Old 09-01-2021, 02:17 PM
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Considerations Forty-One …

What holds your attention ?

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If it is or is not known … there are basic Spiritual Laws that are put in place when the lower world schoolroom was designed. One such Law demands that each individual Soul experiences every scenario in the lower worlds … and stays there for as long as that scenario fulfills them. This certainly includes all polar experiences … such as being rich or poor … strong or weak … king or pauper … beautiful or plain … etc. for as long as you wish to list them. This also includes all the philosophies and all the religions. Every exploration into each philosophy or religion can certainly enchant an individual for lifetimes. Every experience … every philosophy … every religion has its element of truth within it … great or small … to be gathered and assembled by the individual in order to understand both Self and life around it.

The Great Organized Religions draw the individual into the basics. These religions are geared to the masses. The easily-found and highly known religions are mostly for establishing the social codes … don’t kill this … don’t steal that. It’s a necessary step to at least have some degree of lawfulness.

Many of the organized religions have their esoteric side … or their set of mystery teachings. These teachings are little known until one works their way into the upper positions … so to speak. They are secret from the general offerings … giving an element of importance to them … and this is a working aspect of uncovering and practicing them.

Eventually one works into the true mystery schools … gnosticism, the Masons, the Rosicrucians, Zoroastrianism, the Sikhs, the Essenes, Theosophy … many more. These usually involve a direct initiation into the teachings … and secrecy is often highly promoted.

Each set of teachings comes from the one above them. As the blueprint comes before the high-rise … and thought of the building comes before the blueprint … so each set of teachings are a thinned down version of what gave rise to it. All the philosophies and religions … the mystery schools … and what lies beyond … is a seemingly endless series of bread crumbs for any to follow should they have the passion to find them … fulfill the prerequisites … and earn the recognition of the true Master to welcome the individual to the final series … however long that will take. To walk the true final steps … one must begin to look where everyone else does not.

By the time one wanders through these for as many lifetimes as fulfills the individual … it is time to explore beyond them … and this puts one on a very precarious position … often out on a limb on ones own … or with very few alongside. Tests and development of courage, sincerity, strength … etc … are inherent, constant, prerequisite, and subsequent. Silence about the true esoteric teachings is a demand. One earns the right to hear. ( I did not draw up the design. )

By now the adventurer discovers that reality depends on the intensity of awareness and not on external facts. Each student will become what s/he focuses on … is aware of within … and what goes on in their outer world is a testimony to just how this is being directed and designed … to the use or issues of this entire postulate.

The secrecy of the learning of the truly esoteric teachings depends on the hearer. Doors can be opened … but it is up to the individual to recognize and walk through them. LIFE … and the true Masters that work within LIFE … take note of the sincerity and devotion of each. Most will hear only what is said to them and will grasp nothing but the spoken word.

A great struggle befalls most anyone in this day and age … because people currently are looking for pleasure and their highest goal is not to uncover esoteric truth. Most want entertainment … not unfoldment. There are always exceptions.

Truth is not given to all because few will listen.

Most who have taken even a few steps into this arena will divulge what they know only to those who are willing to listen … and are sincere in their passion for Truth. Words are cheap. LIFE knows your private dedications and abilities. Most have worked incredibly long and hard to extract even a few working tidbits. No matter how much the mind simply wants to be given access to anything and everything at any time … there are prerequisites. The greater the true teacher … the more the qualifications.

Truth in itself is always obscured because it is most often hidden behind intelligent and glistening things. The world is not the same to all since we bring our own subjectivity to each experience. What captivates our mind and attracts our attention by the “must-have” splendor of materialism … is brought with us from lifetime to lifetime … and our state of consciousness is the only thing that comes with us … intrigued by the new fads, fashions, social mores, and glamorous goodies each new lifetime brings.

I do not mean to cheapen or subtract from the incredible “completeness” of the lower world schoolroom. I have said before … and I’ll say it again … the schoolroom is designed as such … because it works … brutally.

As one approaches these closing steps … it becomes clear that the final strides require a good degree of faith … a faith that the ending goals and ideals do actually exist and are attainable. Mind may turn white-faced with horror at this.

As always … we have “forever” to figure this out. Each student can take as long as s/he wants.

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Tidbit …
The physical world is an assumptive ( illusory ) world … that is plastic and fluid in Spirit. Your beliefs have Spirit molding the IT-self / plastic fluid into the image you believe to be true.

More later.

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Old 09-01-2021, 02:46 PM
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Accurate. Um, this might be my favorite in your series. #41 - gotta rem that. Page 13.
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Old 09-01-2021, 02:58 PM
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I'm still here zorkchop and taking in every one of your excellent posts.Something,a feeling inside of me is telling me to study everything you write.
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Old 12-01-2021, 03:46 PM
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Considerations Forty-Two

The Five Level Schoolroom

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Let’s just say …

There are five localized schoolrooms … all connected to one another … but this fact is initially unknown to all. In fact … just what the schools are and how they are connected … is a mystery.

The schools are designed to be rigorously effective. Students will unquestionably stay in their respective school for as long as it takes for them to become absolute “master” of their curriculum. One cannot advance unless and until you experience and understand it all … at each respective level.

Schoolroom One … the physical dimension in its aggregate … is based on popular and social teachings in order to maintain some sort of lawfulness and cooperation. We are trained to want the goodies and the status we see in our surroundings … putting our perspective outside of us. The physical is slow to react on all facets. We are trained to get old and sick … and to accumulate. We want to belong … so we opt for what’s popular and accepted. The teachers are many … from a variety of perspectives.

Once leaving this schoolroom … we are dealing with the invisible. We cannot “see” the actual expression in and of itself … but we can see their effects.

Schoolrooms Two and Three are paradoxical. One could argue forever … what comes first … the emotion or the thought. Very little is given to us as far as training for Schoolroom Two … the Emotions … the Astral Plane … and we are simply cultivated to go with what brings us pleasure … what fulfills us … and what keeps us from harm. Both anger and happiness can fulfill. Choices are many.

Schoolroom Three … the Mental Plane … is even more vast. Mind quickly gains strength in pointing out what will harm us. It tends to point out what-will-go-wrong instantly. Out of a list of 100 possibilities … it will focus on the one that will harm us … and dismiss the other 99.

Schoolroom Four is even more secretive. The Etheric Plane … the subconscious if you will … doesn’t often clearly show its face. The secret to gaining control over this facet is quite esoteric.

Schoolroom Five lies very close to Four. Soul and the Subconscious lie in very close proximity. To distinguish between two is known to a relative handful … but considering the countless number of Souls in existence … “a relative handful” is still a goodly number of entities.

The “Path” between the schoolrooms is secretive and closely guarded. Gates, Doors, and Voids and Guards stand their ground at each entrance. If someone uncovers the secret of truly gaining control over Two … and moves there … and then divulges the secret … karmic implications are incurred. If someone gains Three … and then drops back to expose One and Two … even more karmic implications are acquired. Responsibility and secrecy so that each truly earns their way into the various levels … is strict law. They will be returned until they learn.

Teachers are numerous on One … some authentic … others not … fewer with each Level from that point on. Wandering is allowed within the levels of Schoolrooms One through Three … gathering options. The curriculum is endless. Each tidbit of information and experience has its own allure.

There *are* authentic Masters on each level. They hold the secrets and divulge the information to the students that earn the right. True Masters have their list of unconditional prerequisites. A student learns … or they don’t. One can believe anything they wish … but true advancement is not only possible but all but guaranteed … given eternity to complete the study.

The Guardians ( generic name ) have their orders on whom to allow … and again follow a strict demand.

Many believe they have advanced … but this comes from the *feeling* that they have done so and is not verified by the Master or Guardian of that level. Mind will always try to convince the individual that they are farther along than they are.

The final step … from Schoolroom Four to Five … cannot be taken without an authentic Master. This is not only a safeguard but a fulfillment of the purity of the entering student. One might be able to “wander” there for a very short visit … and many have … but to become established … one must be taken there by a true Master. Any system that is designed as well as this entire schoolroom scenario … has definite, inflexible, and pointed securities that are in place and established for a very long time.

The obvious goal is to find the teachers that will legitimately take you from one schoolroom to the next. Since LIFE IT-self progresses from dark to light … from the incapable to the capable … from the unfulfilled to the fulfilled … from stagnation to growth … each will eventually graduate to and beyond Schoolroom Five. The farther one goes … the fewer there are alongside … let alone in front of. There are fewer teachers to truly teach the advanced studies. The information is more secretive. The Voids are greater in between.

Know I have offered all of this before … but this still … is what it is. There are no shortcuts … there are no sneaky work-arounds. You can try to totally do it on your own for as long as you wish. LIFE is unconcerned as to the number lifetimes / eons taken.

Let me again state here that to get into and beyond the upper schoolrooms is not a matter of debate, demand, declaration, or belief. There are distinct and recognizable signposts that will portray that you have made such a step … coupled most probably with a true Master alongside to guide and usher you in. By the time you take this step … there is a clear code of ethics and practices that you have made your own … that includes discipline, responsibility, sincerity, courage, strength, and devotion … amongst others.

If this is not followed … one will … has … can … and will … be escorted back to the lower levels … so to speak … to again work on the prerequisites for another lifetime or two.

The design is clear. Time to drop back and discuss some facets that will be encountered within the various schoolrooms.

More Later

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Old 12-01-2021, 11:05 PM
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All of these are created within the imagination by people from different society's but that's it nothing more . fundamentaly these schools mean nothing to this realm or the next and they only seem to have importance because of the belief a person has in them.
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Old 13-01-2021, 09:00 AM
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Fascinating.I had to read post #125 again and again to understand it.Ican't believe how much this thread has caught my attention.
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Old 13-01-2021, 03:40 PM
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Maya El …

Tell the individuals in the incredibly primitive groups in the “caveman” era that to pray or hold a ritual for the death of a member, or the birth of a baby, or the health of the group, or the success of tomorrows hunt, or safety as the skies flash and boom … tell them it’s just imagination.

Tell the founders of some of the great religions … Confucius, Krishna, Guru Nanak, Ramananda, Patanjali, Pythagoras, Mahavira, Zoroaster, Joseph Smith, Moses, Muhammad, Jesus Christ, Gautama Buddha, SO many others … tell them it was all imagination and they actually mean nothing … here … or elsewhere.

People “form” religions to help explain the mysteries of life. The greater religions are massively tweaked after the exit of the founder … mostly due to the followers being unable to carry the message forward … and … the priestcraft redesigning for better salesmanship.

Consider the very subtle distinction between imagination … and the deep desire to survive and explain the great mysteries of our lives as we face them … from the level of the primitive to whatever you call today’s cultures. The desire to survive is the name of the game … and we will consider and explore our options. If you want to define all of that as imagination … be my guest.

Which of the religions and philosophies actually have nothing to do with ones mental / emotional / physical well-being?

Go to the areas of each of these religions in the astral and mental worlds … tell the followers … it was all imagination … the religion means nothing here or there.

As I stated before … each religion and philosophy holds an element of Truth. It is up to us to uncover, recognize, and use it. If we don’t … we make it much more difficult for ourselves … which in itself … is a lesson.

Considering the human plight is vast and complex … and I will readily admit … imagination *does* have a lot to do with it.

Skepticism pushed to the extreme become cynicism. Skepticism can be quite healthy … assisting in honestly exploring the options in front of you to determine their benefit. Cynicism and a rigid outlook on life most often leads to deception, deep limitation, and restrictive.

Try to let things work *for* you. To throw rocks takes little effort … beneficial and positive endeavor is much harder to tackle.

I do not mean to admonish. I truly do not … and I agree … it’s a scary step. As the title of the posts in this thread … just consider.

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Another on-topic post tomorrow or Friday.

On we go.

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Old 13-01-2021, 07:39 PM
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>>>Tell the individuals in the incredibly primitive groups in the “caveman” era that to pray or hold a ritual for the death of a member, or the birth of a baby, or the health of the group, or the success of tomorrows hunt, or safety as the skies flash and boom … tell them it’s just imagination.<<<

i would if I could because it would help those with enough cognitive capability to understand why they never missed a single sacrifice and always prayed when they were supposed to and then their entire family was eaten buy saber tooth tigers or randomly starve to death for no apparent reason because the fundamental essence of existence doesn't care about schools and ranks .

>>>Tell the founders of some of the great religions … Confucius, Krishna, Guru Nanak, Ramananda, Patanjali, Pythagoras, Mahavira, Zoroaster, Joseph Smith, Moses, Muhammad, Jesus Christ, Gautama Buddha, SO many others … tell them it was all imagination and they actually mean nothing … here … or elsewhere.

i would but oh wait that's right they're all dead just like atheists and cavemen and every other human

the only difference is they probably died thinking they knew what was waiting for them on the other side as opposed to the non-believer that didn't know what was waiting for him.

>>>People “form” religions to help explain the mysteries of life. The greater religions are massively tweaked after the exit of the founder … mostly due to the followers being unable to carry the message forward … and … the priestcraft redesigning for better salesmanship.<<<

I agree and that only helps strengthen my statement.

>>>Consider the very subtle distinction between imagination … and the deep desire to survive and explain the great mysteries of our lives as we face them … from the level of the primitive to whatever you call today’s cultures. The desire to survive is the name of the game … and we will consider and explore our options. If you want to define all of that as imagination … be my guest.<<<

thank you I will. However I think you are defining imagination in a limited kind of way which is making you take what I said as a negative..

>>>Which of the religions and philosophies actually have nothing to do with ones mental / emotional / physical well-being?<<<

I'm not too sure where you're going with that one? because I do believe they all have something to do with it.

>>>Go to the areas of each of these religions in the astral and mental worlds … tell the followers … it was all imagination … the religion means nothing here or there.<<<

you mean the realm that everybody experiences in a slightly different way? because it is shaped by the imagination? that realm?.

>>>As I stated before … each religion and philosophy holds an element of Truth. <<<
I agree

>>>It is up to us to uncover, recognize, and use it. If we don’t … we make it much more difficult for ourselves … which in itself … is a lesson.<<<

the strong earn the right to live.

>>>Considering the human plight is vast and complex … and I will readily admit … imagination *does* have a lot to do with it.

>>>Skepticism pushed to the extreme become cynicism. Skepticism can be quite healthy … assisting in honestly exploring the options in front of you to determine their benefit. Cynicism and a rigid outlook on life most often leads to deception, deep limitation, and restrictive.<<<

I believe it is you that has the perspective of cynicism towards my perspective of imagination I'm not cynical or overly skeptical you are just limiting yourself to a certain concept of imagination that is petty from my guess based off of your reaction.

>>>Try to let things work *for* you. To throw rocks takes little effort … beneficial and positive endeavor is much harder to tackle.<<<

I'm hardly throwing rocks. other than telepathy how else should I tell somebody that something is rooted in Imagination? without using the words "something is rooted in imagination"?
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Old 14-01-2021, 03:59 PM
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Maya El …

Thank you for being so passionate and clear in revealing where you “are” on the Path and illustrating what is left behind by moving beyond the mental worlds. I could not have asked for a better example.

I will put in another Considerations tomorrow … Friday.

Again … thank you.

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LOVE #125.
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