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02-05-2021, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hazada guess
Something that I would like the answer to..........When we pass away do we merge into the infinite consciousness or are we units of consciousness that keep the sense of I?
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Having been a medium and talked to Spirits, we still have an 'I' of some description that's probably closer to the human 'I' than many people think. I spoke to one Spirit who said he missed his garden, while others became cranky at the person I was talking to. Every Spirit I've talked to has had a character of some description, as though I was a talking to a person.
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02-05-2021, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH
Sense of I is attached to your memory of your experiences / decisions / preferences / conclusions etc which is stored in brain cells which gets destroyed with the body . So all gross memories will be gone. However soul-defining attributes like bravery , benevolence , just , fairness , compassion etc are still attached to your consciousness and still remains with you .
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Consciousness is certainly non-local and whether memory is or not is moot, but the leaning is towards the brain being access/retrieval rather than storage. Memories are also a part of your consciousness.
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02-05-2021, 10:35 AM
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Thank's Greenslade,It's what I wanted to hear.
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02-05-2021, 11:59 AM
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Master
Join Date: Apr 2019
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Originally Posted by Greenslade
Consciousness is certainly non-local and whether memory is or not is moot, but the leaning is towards the brain being access/retrieval rather than storage. Memories are also a part of your consciousness.
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U may consider following points and review your conclusions .
1. Access and retrieval can never be there without storage. Storage has to be there.
2. Now moot question is where is the storage ? in consciousness or brain cells. You can consider memory loss for people aging or having alziemer disease . If it would have be attached to consciousness , it should have been powerful even when u age. If retrieval /access works after death , why it does not work when aging or having alziemer disease .
Though I dont have any experience of mediumship , I do recognize that mediums talking to spirits may have their experience of some spirits memory .
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02-05-2021, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hazada guess
Thank's Greenslade,It's what I wanted to hear.
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You're very welcome
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02-05-2021, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH
U may consider following points and review your conclusions .
1. Access and retrieval can never be there without storage. Storage has to be there.
2. Now moot question is where is the storage ? in consciousness or brain cells. You can consider memory loss for people aging or having alziemer disease . If it would have be attached to consciousness , it should have been powerful even when u age. If retrieval /access works after death , why it does not work when aging or having alziemer disease .
Though I dont have any experience of mediumship , I do recognize that mediums talking to spirits may have their experience of some spirits memory .
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Talking about reviewing..
1. I didn't say storage wasn't there, obviously the brain can't retrieve if there is no storage. What that means is that the storage is non-local, as in not inside our heads.
2. If the storage is in braincells then it's local, but memory is non-local. If memories were local they would die with the brain and that's not he case, because any medium will tell you that people in Spirit can remember. Consciousness is epiphenomenal and therefore nothing to do with braincells.
In cases like Alzheimer's and dementia - my mother has advanced dementia - the memories are still there, because often people can recall the memories one day and not be able to the next, or have moments of complete lucidity as though their ailments never existed. It has to do with the brain's ability to access memories, and in cases of Alzheimer's, dementia, strokes and the like the abilities of the brain are compromised. So obviously if the brain is access/retrieval to/from a non-local memory storage is compromised then the memories may not be stored or retrieved.
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02-05-2021, 03:00 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2012
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Originally Posted by Greenslade
Talking about reviewing..
1. I didn't say storage wasn't there, obviously the brain can't retrieve if there is no storage. What that means is that the storage is non-local, as in not inside our heads.
2. If the storage is in braincells then it's local, but memory is non-local. If memories were local they would die with the brain and that's not he case, because any medium will tell you that people in Spirit can remember. Consciousness is epiphenomenal and therefore nothing to do with braincells.
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In reality, storage is local, even if all of our life experiences are only stored within the Soul'self.
Because there is only one universe, one dimention, one realm, one universe and it is all spiritual.
The organic physical body is located right smack bang within the spiritual universe, right along side everything of the spiritual.
People of the earth are deceived into believe that there are many dimensions or realms and even more than one universe. And the ones that perpetrated those false beliefs are the very many dark minded spiritual beings that remain unseen and who unlovingly involve themselves in earthlings lives.
So that having been Said, & even if none here can grasp or fathom it, Ill move on to explain that the spiritual Soul'self resides here on earth, right here within the flesh.
The spiritual Soul'self AND the spiritual body are enmeshed within the organic physical body (ENMESHED) within every part of our body.
And is connected via the silver cord.
All life experiences are stored within the spiritual Soul'self, they are not stored within the brain. And since all thinking & reasoning is drawing on memories AND all of it is only occurring within the spiritual Soul'self, AND the Soul'self is right here on earth AND enmeshed within the organic physical body, it is all then local.
AND nothing is retrieved by the brain for thinking or reasoning purposes, because thinking & reasoning does not occur within the brain.
We the Soul'self views the earth surroundings via information that flows from the eyes, through the brain, & finally via the silver cord. & let's say that we we see a friend in front of us, & we may have a thought to walk towards that person, and then embrace that person.
As we have those desires, our desires are received by the brain & then processed into information, of which is capable of travelling through the silver cord connection to the spiritual Soul'self.
We the Spiritual Soul'self thinks & reasons with the incoming information, & our responses are then sent to the brain for further processing into information that is capable of travelling ectrically & chemically through the body & sences, in order for the body to advance forward and then embrace our friend.
All of the above happens in micro seconds..."MICRO SECONDS"...and this is why earthlings can not understand or fathom that all thinking & reasoning happens within the spiritual Soul'self, and that the brain & body are only a non sentient & non aware sensory/processing unit.
Storage, thinking & reasoning of which occurs within the spiritual Soul'self, is very much local.
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02-05-2021, 03:35 PM
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Well explained Niel.Getting back to my original question. I am now convinced that we live on in some complete form or other.
I'll have to learn not to take some peoples teachings seriously. There will always remain doubts until we experience the new adventure for ourselves. Until then this life goes on.
Thanks all.
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02-05-2021, 05:14 PM
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[quote=BigJohn]What is the oldest memory you can remember in this life time?
In Kindergarten, did you give the other kids in your class a Christmas card?
/quote]Yes forgetting seems to be what happens but I am not talking about the physical process of remembering, but also spiritual remembering. I am speaking of I. Who is the I forgetting, that would be the body. But there is more then body. The thing is we are using form that does not exist in spirit, body. I think the point about forgetting old memories certainly valid but that point doesn't apply to current ones. So I would always use known ones. Would the same happen, forgetting so soon. I say this because the body isn't the (only) observer. Where I differ about remembering of spirit in terms of spirit, in that it has seen and will see and remember but not experience it the same. The meaning will be different. My own experience here has shown me body creates and changes experience and I still remember previous experience though it is not the same experience. So I wonder if there is fear about remember. Two different observations even now.
I'm saying body and spirit won't see the same thing or have the same feeling about the experience even if soul remembers. This being because there are certain characteristics I hold about soul others do not hold, and I include consciousness without body realizing it cannot be comprehended until such time as there is no body and there is clarity. I don't think spirit who observed it will deny it happened. The spirit will understand what the body does and at a totally different level.
What I may feel guilty about, spirit will not if that's the fear. Consciousness isn't about the body, it is non local, and dimensional, not simply one form but are almost trinity like in a way, existing simultaneously. I am very interested to see what soul sees. I know soul is always represented in a positive way and light but is the perspective of the body. I am sure if we don't remember, God will play it back for us. There will be a record. Still I think what has been learned and understood here is taken back with us. I think spirit will understand in completely different ways.
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02-05-2021, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH
U may consider following points and review your conclusions .
1. Access and retrieval can never be there without storage.
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i would guess it has to be both. physical in the brain and in the non-physical soul. i think having it in both is a brilliant design. what better way to keep the soul ignorant of it's true nature and confused!
if each aspect of "soul" or consciousness of whatever one calls oneself has a "mirror image" in biology, we will need quite a bit of awareness to sort that all out. and to me, that's the main purpose of us inhabiting an animal body and it's mind. to grow our aspect of awareness.
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