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Old 30-05-2024, 12:15 PM
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Experience everything you come in contact with as they truly are. Experience hot as being hot, cold as being cold, left as being left, right as being right, without being judgmental about what you are experiencing.
If I call something cold that is red hot does it change what happens when I touch it? Does it change the experience of hot?

Can I see atoms? Protons and neutrons? Electrons and quarks? Photons, gluons and bosons? If not then I can't see things as they truly are, and this is just on the physical level, and string theorists posit those particles aren't real, that they are just manifestations of more fundamental strings.

When reality is constructed in mind, does mind directly perceive and account for the intricacies of the Standard Model of particle physics when creating its facsimile of reality? Or does mind receive only the tiniest amount of surface information via the sense organs that's necessary for navigating the world's hazards and rewards, then does it's best job reconstructing a simulation of reality with extremely limited information? Just enough information to avoid the tiger, find the food, find a mate.

To get a more accurate picture of physical reality we need particle colliders to gather information and supercomputers to make some sense of the information, and even then scientists will admit that it's just a model of what actually is. The phenomena (the thing as it appears) and not the noumena (the thing as it is).

As Dirty Harry's mind would have said if it was the movie's lead "A mind's got to know its limitations". LOL! https://youtu.be/CG2cux_6Rcw

Mind is woefully inadequate perceiving the finite so how is it possible for mind to perceive the Infinite nondual?
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Old 30-05-2024, 12:23 PM
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I never experience being over there.
It's sometimes described as an experience of not moving through the world but the world moving through me. Muktananda described it as something like "Earth, Moon, Sun and stars revolve inside me".
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Old 30-05-2024, 02:04 PM
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If I call something cold that is red hot does it change what happens when I touch it? Does it change the experience of hot?
Will you call something red hot, when that something is cold? If you will then why?


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Can I see atoms? Protons and neutrons? Electrons and quarks? If not then I can't see things as they truly are, and this is just on the physical level.
No you should not see atoms, Protons and neutrons, Electrons and quarks because atoms, Protons and neutrons, Electrons and quarks are all illusions that are not real remember? Here you go again trying to prove a point with things that are illusory not real. But ok, i will play along with you wanting to be literal, so lets be literal....

Can I see and experience every single pore of a perrsons skin just by seeing and observing the person as a whole? Nope! Do I see the tv that is front of me right now, that I am using to respond to a forum posting, a tv that is made up of atoms, Protons and neutrons, Electrons and quarks? Yes! Believing that atoms, Protons and neutrons, Electrons and quarks exist is a form of non-perception knowing.
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Old 30-05-2024, 03:09 PM
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Closer To Truth is one of my favorite YT channels and here's a video just published.

Eastern Traditions: What are Ultimate Existence and Essence? https://youtu.be/2dW4cYbjK3c

What I found particularly interesting is the discussion on Buddhism with Professor Jay Garfield, and specifically on emptiness and intrinsic identity. I think it's also called dependent origination?

From the Advaita perspective it seems to align with the principle of intrinsic vs. extrinsic existence, i.e. the real vs. the unreal.
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Old 08-06-2024, 03:19 PM
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Several more verses from the Kena Upanishad pointing to the subject of this thread.

That which speech does not illumine, but which illumines speech: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people worship here.

That which cannot be thought by mind, but by which, they say, mind is able to think: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people worship here.

That which is not seen by the eye, but by which the eye is able to see: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people worship here.

That which cannot be heard by the ear, but by which the ear is able to hear: know that alone to be Brahman, not this which people worship here.

That which none breathes with the breath, but by which breath is in-breathed: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people worship here.
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Excellent verses.
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@post #205

wow that's very epic.
Very nice.
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