Mental health and spirituality.

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

My god, we must be all crazy then. Science does not support us or validate spiritual existence.

It depends on the person you are talking to but usually mental health professionals will acknowledge that people with mental health issues may well be Spiritual or religious. The biggest issue is the beliefs people have because they've slapped the 'I am Spiritual' label on their foreheads. What many don't realise is that from a professional perspective anything that is contrary to a person's own reality has a detrimental effect on them, so telling someone who is deeply invested in Spirituality that Spirituality is a nonsense immediately puts them into a stance of non-acceptance of treatment. Some Spiritual people use Spirituality as an escape or downright denial because nobody wants to think they're a head case.

And sometimes Spirituality IS a mental health issue, they come from the same areas of the brain and it's sometimes difficult to distinguish which is what.

No, science wouldn't validate Spirituality because few supposedly self-aware Spiritual people have the first clue about where their beliefs come from. Sometimes beliefs are not beliefs at all but destructive cognitive behaviour and obvious results of personality aberrations.

Originally Posted by PMPM71

It really doesn't matter is spirituality real or not. Lots of ill people believe it is and if its just a coping mechanism it could be a road to cure for lots of issues for some people. Therapist going with "truth" of a patient and being their guide on "a journey" is no different then a "spirit guide" or "a Shaman".

It matters if Spirituality is real to the person who thinks they are Spiritual, that's about people creating their own realities. And 'the truth' is relative to one's own agenda. At the end of the day this is what the argument between mental health and Spirituality is all about. What people don't understand is that their mental health - regardless of its condition - underpins Spirituality. Spirituality is not based on Spirituality, Spirituality is 'processed' by the unconscious and later on we become conscious of the end result. If your head is screwed up then your Spirituality will reflect that.

As far as the professionals are concerned Spirituality is a belief system and a 'layer' on top of a psychological framework, they're not interested in beliefs they're interested in what and how those beliefs are created. All self-aware people should be.

Originally Posted by PMPM71

Same as exorcism, does it really matter how you define nature of an issue? Is it just a psychological internalization of a patient that leads to cathartic resolution or demons exist like a real separate entity? From a perspective of a patient only important thing is finding a cure. In the west they just give everyone a pill and that in most cases doesn't cure a thing it just masks effects.

If an exorcism is just a psychological internalisation then yes it does matter, because what can happen is that it can escalate into people getting hurt. "The demons made me pick up a gun and shoot those non-believers in the mall." Exorcism isn't necessarily a cure but if someone believes it strongly enough then it's a cure for them.

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

It matters if Spirituality is real to the person who thinks they are Spiritual, that's about people creating their own realities. And 'the truth...........ose non-believers in the mall." Exorcism isn't necessarily a cure but if someone believes it strongly enough then it's a cure for them.

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

It depends on ..............l but destructive cognitive behaviour and obvious results of personality aberrations.

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Originally Posted by bobjob

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Ithey come from the same areas of the brain and it's sometimes difficult to distinguish which is what.

That's interesting i have mental health issues and consider my
self spiritually inclined.
As for doctors and psychiatrists i
suppose its in there rule book
not to talk about such things.
And also not talk about things like alternative herbal/ natural medicines.

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

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Originally Posted by Native spirit

I happen to agree

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Originally Posted by Pagandell

That's interesting i have mental health issues and consider my
self spiritually inclined.
As for doctors and psychiatrists i
suppose its in there rule book
not to talk about such things.
And also not talk about things like alternative herbal/ natural medicines.

..

Spirituality and science are two very different beasties and two very different trains of thought. Spirituality is the "What?" and science is the "How?" while psychology provides the framework upon which Spirituality is based on.

Here's something that not many people seem to understand. Jung's understanding of the self and the ego is based on Advaita Vedanta teachings, his model of the self is mooted to be based on the Atman but personally I think Atman is the psyche. His model of the ego is based on Ahamkara but you have to understand the difference between Eastern and Western thinking to understand that properly. Chitta means 'lower mind' and that's close enough to the unconscious. The Right Thinking of the Eightfold Path is constructive cognitive behaviour.

Doctors aren't much interested in beliefs, especially where mental health issues are concerned - what they're interested in is where those beliefs come from. If you have mental health issues and you use your being Spiritual as a case for being 'normal' or 'immune' to such things that's denial and not very constructive for you, because your mental health issues go untreated. In this case being Spiritual is destructive rather than constructive. What you end up with is a complex that 'drives' your Spirituality.

Spiritually mental health issues are interesting because for one thing it shows that "We create our own reality" is true and gives us a pragmatic understanding of the "How?" We should talk about the connections between mental health issues and Spirituality because they are interlinked - because your issues are a part of your reality.

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Originally Posted by Greenslade

Spirituality and science are two very different beasties and two very different trains of thought. Spirituality is the "What?" and s...........about the connections between mental health issues and Spirituality because they are interlinked - because your issues are a part of your reality.

I don't want to sound sycophantic but again 'Like' - I'm awed by your insight!