Brahman=Logos?

[Still_Waters]

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Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

In the case of something like siddhis you are either in bucket a where you take it at face value it is impossible because the vast majority of others think that (implying you'll have nothing to do with it), or in bucket b where you hear for years and years of your development that you shouldn't value them(again implying you'll have nothing to do with it). So of course virtually noone takes siddhis seriously... some know about them, some even do them sometimes, but noone takes them seriously.

Consider "bucket c":

Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras have an entire section dedicated to the siddhis for the purpose of letting practitioners know that such things can manifest spontaneously during the course of meditation ... with the caveat that such things can be very tempting distractions that can reinforce one's egotistical inclinations and bring one to a great fall.

Ramana Maharshi also speaks of siddhis and warns against seeking to acquire them. In his "Talks", however, he states that, when one is in the pure unity-consciousness state, one can call upon whatever powers are needed to act in the best interests of all when that type of situation presents itself.

Having personally seen the extraordinary ones who have demonstrated the siddhis in certain situations, I have come to the understanding that virtually anything is possible. However, interestingly enough, I was not drawn to any of those beings who OSTENTATIOUSLY demonstrated the siddhis.

Neither do I take siddhis seriously nor do I not take them seriously. Siddhis will inevitably happen and being aware of that does not seem to be a problem.

Having said that, I often wonder why Christianity seems to be so obsessed with the "miracles" of Jesus. Performing "miracles" will certainly draw crowds ... the circus crowd.

It is well said that "miracles" (siddhis) are RARELY performed without a trace of ego but there are exceptions to virtually any "rule".

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

EXCERPT Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras have an entire section dedicated to the siddhis for the purpose of letting practitioners know that such things can manifest spontaneously during the course of meditation ... with the caveat that such things can be very tempting distractions that can reinforce one's egotistical inclinations and bring one to a great fall.

Ramana Maharshi also speaks of siddhis and warns against seeking to acquire them. In his "Talks", however, he states that, when one is in the pure unity-consciousness state, one can call upon whatever powers are needed to act in the best interests of all when that type of situation presents itself.
Siddhis will inevitably happen and being aware of that does not seem to be a problem.

Many Christians believe 'such gifts' have been done away. They know about Siddhis but by a different name: miracles. As some believe, modern day Miracles are the work of Satan the Devil and his buddies. It does not take much to see how good people can in the name of God do bad things such as Inquisitions. Today, these Inquisitions and burning people at the stake still are done in the mental realm. Sad part is, most people don't realize they are doing that.

the bridge between Hinduism and Christianity is shown in Brahman equaling the Logos and vice-versa. It is the same manifestations but looked at from a different perspective.

[FallingLeaves]

Consider "bucket c":

honestly there are a lot of buckets,,, we haven't gotten to the one I'm in yet. I was just contemplating on why.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Today, these Inquisitions and burning people at the stake still are done in the mental realm. Sad part is, most people don't realize they are doing that.

Does God judge on what someone has done, or on the reasons why that person has done the deed?

If someone who sees the meat rather than the mind that develops after birth, as being a fully formed human being, of body, mind and soul, a child of God, and that person abhors the thought of abortion, and firmly believes that God wants those who kill a human being to die by the hand of a human being, (He who shed’s man’s blood, by man must his blood be shed) then goes out in his self-believed righteous anger and executes the abortionist: How do you believe that God would judge that person?

Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God and his chosen children. A forming foetus does not begin to develop an independent mind until it takes it first breath, any information gained while in the womb is shared information of the mother.

Exodus 21: 22-25; “If some men are fighting and hurt a pregnant woman so that she loses the fruit of her womb, but she is not injured in any other way, the one who hurt her is to be fined whatever amount the woman's husband demands, subject to the approval of the judges. But if the woman herself is injured, the punishment shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Very few miscarried foetus’ would have survived in those days and if the woman lost the fruit of her womb, the woman's husband could demand compensation from the one who caused the lose of his potential child, which compensation had to be subject to the approval of the judges.

But if the woman herself (A fully developed and evolving mind) was injured, the punishment for the perpetrator of her injuries would be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

What I mean John, is that there are still people out there, if given the chance would line up against a wall and execute every man, woman and abortionist, who had anything to do with their supposed murder, of their supposed child of God.

PBU you John.

[Hologram8]

I saw a movie about this Kalki person you keep talking about

it was called the last avatar

[Still_Waters]

QUOTE 122 EXCERPT:

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Many Christians believe 'such gifts' have been done away. They know about Siddhis but by a different name: miracles. As some believe, modern day Miracles are the work of Satan the Devil and his buddies. It does not take much to see how good people can in the name of God do bad things such as Inquisitions.

the bridge between Hinduism and Christianity is shown in Brahman equaling the Logos and vice-versa.

Your insightful post goes right to the heart of this phenomenon.

For some reason, many Christians do indeed believe that "such gifts" have been done away. This leads to your very supportable conclusion that, consequently, such powers/gifts/etc. are understandably considered to be the work of Satan in the minds of these Christians. Hence, inquisitions arise in the name of God by the scholars and theologians who know very little about God via direct experiences ... since they are focused primarily on the intellectual learning acquired via their books. They simply quote second-hand knowledge gleaned from others and attribute it to God since they generally have no first-hand knowledge of their own.


In my current online course offered by the University of Barcelona on Magic/Witchcraft/Inquisitions/Etc., it was pointed out that the theologians and the jurists and the fundamental literalists often lead the way in these horrific inquisitions.

Lastly, your insight into the different perspectives offered by the Hindu Brahman and the Christian Logos is right on target though very few seem to understand this.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

honestly there are a lot of buckets,,, we haven't gotten to the one I'm in yet. I was just contemplating on why.

Amen.

The "why", as you put in, somehow seems related to the "HOW".

When things happened that seemed impossible in my paradigm of the Reality, my spiritual mentor would simply say: Meditate on HOW such things are possible. Only then would she discuss such things in depth and the WHY became clearer.

[Still_Waters]

QUOTE 124 EXCERPT:

Originally Posted by The Anointed

: ... the punishment shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Mahatma Ghandi once commented on the passage which you quoted.

He said that "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth only leaves the whole world blind and toothless".

Imagine that !

[BigJohn]

Inquisitions and burning at the stake are still done, even today. They are disguised under different names. For example, people are still publicly accused of doing certain trumped up 'things' in the hopes of getting rid of them.

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

QUOTE He said that "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth only leaves the whole world blind and toothless".

So, In reality what he said, was that half the people in the world would poke out the eyes of the other half of the people in the world, and therefore would have to have their eyes poked out as punishment, for the whole world to be blind.

And that half the people of the world would have to knock out all the teeth of the other half of the people in the world and as punishment that half would then have to have all their teeth knocked out also.

In this way 'ONLY' would the 'WHOLE' world be left Blind and toothless. IMO, your Mahatma Ghandi, spoke before thinking through what he was going to say, but we see the same thing happen with many of the worlds so-called spokesmen.

Does this mean to say that your spokesman, saw the law that says life for life, would lead to a lifeless world also? How ridiculous.

I couldn't find a blind and toothless icon, so I'll leave that to your imagination.