Your experiences.

[JustBe]

Many spiritual seekers, define themselves through experiences that are ‘out of this world’. Those experiences often in some way, hit home in a more profound or extraordinary way. I’ve had my own. I have integrated them in myself to understand myself and life around me. The experiences affected me greatly, but one of the most profound moments was when it all settled into ‘just being’. Where it all became a point of realising, it was up to me to live my life as all this ‘aware’ as all this as my life experience, not held up by spiritual experiences but by life itself. Live and be the integration of all those experiences. Letting it all go, to let life support me as ‘I am’.

Experiences (profound or otherwise) are simply guides to know more, see more, understand yourself as more. Understand and see more of how life is and can be. ‘Source’ the person/being you are through them. Of course many confuse their direct experience as something, ‘outside of themselves’ yet through the integration of ones life, those experiences become a part of you. In accessing the experience, you access a piece of the whole, to open you to your ‘wholeness’. By wholeness I mean a ‘feeling’ of ‘completeness’. Where you mend the pieces in conflict, where you let go of what doesn’t fit anymore or build an expansion/awareness of life differently. build a contentment with yourself and with life.

As a seeker, my experiences are numerous, but at some point if my own process, I realized they were simply the ‘bells and whistles’ ‘creative stage’ to bring me home to myself.they were important but not as important as the ‘becoming’. The real work is the ‘shattering’ of your skewed views of yourself, it’s breaking down and through everything contained inside you. Its the games and battles you play with yourself. It’s the closed mind and ‘I’m not going to change’ face you present to the world. It’s facing fears, deep dark terrors, addictions and avoidance. It’s heartbreak and projections from others unresolved in themselves. It’s opening up trauma and feelings you suppress and hide behind. This is the real work. This and more.

Life deals is big blows, hardship and struggles. This is the nature of suffering to understand how to not suffer. The spiritual experiences lend themselves to give you hope, give you strength, show you more, show you to keep going, to show you,there is always more.

The gift of spiritual intervention builds a greater view in us, to remind us who we really are. To remind you as you are who you can be, become and live as.

Holding on to your experiences and never bringing that aliveness as yourself, that completeness, contentment of yourself as that experience, means you miss those vital links it’s showing you, you can have as yourself.

It’s never easy to face yourself, but if you don’t you miss, how to live an easier life, a supported life, a spiritually connected, open to life, life. This deep acceptance removes doubt, changes your reality, opens the doorway to a co supportive life.

We are life, we exist and we hold the mirror, you seek inside.

[inavalan]

It seems you wanted to make a statement about what you believe. Is there something you want to discuss?

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by inavalan

It seems you wanted to make a statement about what you believe. Is there something you want to discuss?

You’ve asked the question?

Is there something on your mind to share further?

I’m more than happy to listen.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by JustBe

You’ve asked the question?

Is there something on your mind to share further?

I’m more than happy to listen.

I see things quite differently than you stated them, but I acknowledge your right to your beliefs. I was asking about the intention you had when you decided to share yours, because I couldn't figure it out. It seemed just a statement.

[JustBe]

Originally Posted by inavalan

I see things quite differently than you stated them, but I acknowledge your right to your beliefs. I was asking about the intention you had when you decided to share yours, because I couldn't figure it out. It seemed just a statement.

If you see things differently please share. My open free flow from my own realisations are just that. What you may have to share might show differences but I’m open to your beliefs.

The intention arises from spontaneous freedom to let flow what wanted to flow.

That’s really the only intent. To share as we all do open and listening. I didn’t sit there for plotting and planing with intent. I simply was inspired reading something and boom out it flowed. It’s calked creative flow.

This really is how things work here (or in fact opening discussions on most things, I suppose) - a person starts by making an assertion which (in a spiritual context at least) can never be more than an opinion or belief, and that lays it open to discussion.

I certainly follow your opening post but have come to see self-development (which equates to spiritual development to me) as a lifelong flow of experiencing. I'm no longer a seeker because a) Whatever's there will find me anyway and b) I have so few questions left. If there's no feasible answer I let them go. Aside from an overriding goal of finding out who I was supposed to be all along before my time's up, I have no agenda that requires me to follow a religion or diktats, like I'd want to be a light-worker or an ascender, or find a twin flame...and go into all the jargon that lets me join that particular club. If these things happen it'll be because it/they find me.

I feel for those still searching for a holy grail or end of the rainbow when answers evade us all. They eventually solidify a system of beliefs, a model of what it's all about that's workable and valid for them. Good. We're here on this material planet so let's get on with it.

Sometimes they follow a falsity and I suppose there's nothing wrong with that because they'll either awaken to the falsehood or double their effort to believe it's true - and I have to admire the persistence of people who make snake oil work, come Helen Highwater, whoever she is!). Too few people see that they're the sum total of their experiences up to the particular moment.

I find your propositions interesting as it happens - and if you don't mind my saying so, some sojourners would get more out of pondering them than they would out of some of the stuff dished up here and on the web by well-meaning charlatans.

Mind? What IS mind (noun)?

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Thanks, JustBe.

jl

[Starman]

When we define something it is no longer fine anymore. Experience is one thing and what we believe about our experience is another thing. Experience is not dependant on our beliefs. Experience exists separate from our beliefs.

I believe that the essence of experience is touch, or contact; we experience that which we have made contact with. The sense of touch is the primordial sensation on which all the other senses are based.

To see, light has to touch the occipital part of our brain, to smell, odor has to touch our olfactory nerve, to hear, vibration has to touch our inner ear, and to taste, substance has to touch our taste buds.

Touch has to do with making contact, and we can touch on the outside as well as within ourselves. The largest organ in the human body is the skin. The primary function of the skin, besides protection, is our ability to touch.

Touch itself is contact, but we don’t always feel what we connect with because there are many qualities of contact. Soft, hard, fine, coarse, sharp, dull, etc. We judge the quality of our contact, if we feel it, with a belief about what we are experiencing.

If a person believes that everything or everyone is connected, or that there is only one being, only one self, then it stands to reason that we experience being in touch with various aspects of that one self.

I also embrace that life is what we are, regardless of our beliefs or how we judge our experiences.

Originally Posted by Starman

When we define something it is no longer fine anymore. Experience is one thing and what we believe about our experience is another thing. Experience is not dependant on our beliefs. Experience exists separate from our beliefs.

I honestly can't see how experience can be so compartmentalised. One experiences something and assimilates it possibly through interpretation but the interpretation is still the experience as it gets embedded and organised in our brains. I'm talking about experiential stuff here, the conversion of signs into what we act upon as reality, not, "oh, that was a nice experience" level, if you see what I mean.
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Originally Posted by Lorelyen

I honestly can't see how experience can be so compartmentalised. One experiences something and assimilates it possibly through interpretation but the interpretation is still the experience as it gets embedded and organised in our brains. I'm talking about experiential stuff here, the conversion of signs into what we act upon as reality, not, "oh, that was a nice experience" level, if you see what I mean..

Starman can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is what he's speaking to. I copied the URL at the appropriate point but feel free to watch it from the beginning for context.

https://youtu.be/XRmeL7UqE_g?list=PL...qIb4O F&t=324