STOP

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

The act of non action you speak of is wei wu wei (act of non-action), it is called "to allow". Or "allowing."
You cannot do the allowing. You can only allow the allowing.
You cannot do the non-doing. You can only allow the non-doing.

Sir,
Allowing is nothing but disallowing the illusion, and to be 'serious' to feel the truth. It is 'allowing' and it is an act/do/effort.

Without an effort of 'negating' the illusion (or) effort of 'sacrificing' the illusion (bcz of it's limitedness), you cannot 'allow' "THAT".

I'm practically experiencing it. Please don't quote others. If you are 'serious' and you had 'allowed', then share those experience. I'm not interested in speaking about 'quoting' scriptures/third person's experience.

Originally Posted by Viswa

Please don't quote others. If you are 'serious' and you had 'allowed', then share those experience. I'm not interested in speaking about 'quoting' scriptures/third person's experience.

Technically speaking isn't that a movement that could be stopped?

[Miss Hepburn]

I love not quoting ---a few are fun, tho.

Viswa ---since your profile does not say ...may I ask your orig country or
your first language?
Well.. and what does Viswa signify to you? Thanks. :)

[alanantic]

Originally Posted by Viswa
"Please don't quote others."

I collect quotes. They say things better than I ever could. To put my own thoughts in place of them, I think is a disservice.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

But, before that 'seduced', when women seduces you, "Intelligence" flows and guides you to not fall to her, and negate her as a "FOOL".

Women are excellent , beautiful and intelligent creation of God and treating them as Fool is insult of God . And real folly is in insulting God in which one never succeeds even in dream .While this does not mean to fall for it , there are quite elegant, real and practical approaches to it.

Psychologically negative dictates never work howsover one works . Try to stop is one such negative thing .

So tell what to do rather than what to stop .

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Women are excellent , beautiful and intelligent creation of God and treating them as Fool is insult of God . And real folly is in insulting God in which one never succeeds even in dream .

Okay. Let me phrase this way.

Negate her'self'/act as a "FOOL". Everyone (MEN/WOMEN) 'desires' for pleasures are "FOOLS" unto me. Sorry, I'm totally anchored in it, and I feel you cannot change me if you 'desire' to.

And Insulting "GOD"?. It's too funny what you said.

God itself call them as 'sinners'. Does he 'insult' himself by calling this way?.

For me 'sinners' are the "FOOLS", who fails to see the purpose of the human body "He" provided, to "REALIZE/ENLIGHTEN". But, as he is compassionate, he also gave 'objects' for our 'desire' of 'pleasure'.

These persons are all "FOOLS" (even if I desire, I am a FOOL too) no matter whatever their 'sex' is, whatever 'intellect/excellent/beautiful' they are.

Well, I'm not trying to "STOP" movement, I just 'STOP' my 'desire/interest' in it, so it ceases.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

God itself call them as 'sinners'. Does he 'insult' himself by calling this way?.

God does not forbid relations between men/women . He call them sinners only when it is illicit , clandestine , undeclared made without the knowledge of world and without giving care / thought to the consequence of it and which is pursued solely for lust. Such relations between husband / wife is pious and in fact every religion celebrates such relations in the form of marriage and gives its sanctity .

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Technically speaking isn't that a movement that could be stopped?

Can you elaborate or point out which "movement"? To share the 'experience'?

"GOD" did shared them. Guru did shared them. Persons who before 'enlightenment' also shared them, to really show/see with 'like-persons', as there was no "guru".

The 'thing' is, whether the Movement is born out of 'desires' for pleasure or just 'movement' is to be 'thought' of by you. (I'm not interested in thinking it - bcz I feel "IT).

Just "STOP" desires/interest in "illusion" - even it is a 'movement' as you think' of - and you may feel what I mean. And then let's share what you feel of.

If we argue with words, it shall happen for 'years/lifes' and won't end. We shall 'do/share' the experience of our own.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

(even if I desire, I am a FOOL too) .

Then very few may join u .

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Viswa

Well, I'm not trying to "STOP" movement, I just 'STOP' my 'desire/interest' in it, so it ceases.

What if that woman happens to be my wife . Is there anything wrong .