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Old 17-12-2020, 10:55 PM
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religion is complex, God is simple. All religion including spirituality ones have the same issue, looking for God where it will never be. In order to seek God for real you have to be alone, you can't be under the influence of any human knowledge. Another main issue is they look toward death, but death is meaningless, it is not required or a ticket to Heaven. There is only this moment that we're in right now, there is no past or future or time. People have an inherent need for complexity, God is too simple for them.

It's like when you see someone flipping out but you're watching them calmly because you don't have anything to do with what's wrong with them. That's kind of how we look to God. But it's a larger scale then that because God is much greater than us. We're so small nothing we do or think really matters. It's like how we don't care what an ant thinks, divinity doesn't care what we think.
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Old 17-12-2020, 11:10 PM
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As a +30 years Spiritualist I read this stuff and have to accept they're notions - mistaken ones - held perhaps by many who know nothing about Spiritualism. For the sake of accuracy I'll address the points individually.

* POINT 1 Spiritualism isn't a "belief system" because the movement, philosophy and religion are NOT based on belief. The fundamental message of Spiritualism is that of the survival of all us beyond death. It provides evidence of that message by way of contact via mediumship with those who have gone before.
Based on evidence of identity provided in such communication, individuals may consider that their personal evidence represents - for them individually - proof of survival. It is, however, important to note that Spiritualism does not claim to PROVE any such thing; only to provide evidence that individuals can assess for themselves.

* POINT 2 The notion of reincarnation is a step beyond the fundamentals of survival and is one about which debate continues. By contrast, Spiritism holds the principle as fundamental to what it teaches.

* POINT 3 Spiritualism does not claim to provide any useful information as is suggested above.
Maybe your not asking correctly. So then how did spiritualism come to be?
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Old 18-12-2020, 08:29 AM
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Maybe your not asking correctly. So then how did spiritualism come to be?

How the movement, philosophy and religion of (Modern) Spiritualism 'came to be' can be found explained simply on the SNU website https://www.snu.org.uk/ The information there will explain far better than I can what you're asking about.

Maybe you're missing the points I made? When you wrote earlier: "Both are man-made belief systems and that spiritualism is the belief that the dead can communicate with the living and vice a versa & that there is an afterlife reincarnation. Also that the dead can provide useful information to those seeking it and asking for it from the spirit realms." it showed you do not understand what Spiritualism is about. And I'm not talking about the catch-all word 'spiritualism' - this is the 'Spiritualism' forum in the category 'Religions & Faiths'.

I'm not an expert on Spiritualism but I do know much more about it than you.
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Old 18-12-2020, 08:34 AM
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religion is complex, God is simple. All religion including spirituality ones have the same issue, looking for God where it will never be.
As I pointed out to member Heightned-Awareness, this is the 'Spiritualism' forum in the category 'Religions & Faiths'. Spiritualists are not simply (quote) "...looking for God where it will never be."
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In order to seek God for real you have to be alone, you can't be under the influence of any human knowledge. Another main issue is they look toward death, but death is meaningless, it is not required or a ticket to Heaven. There is only this moment that we're in right now, there is no past or future or time. People have an inherent need for complexity, God is too simple for them.
It's like when you see someone flipping out but you're watching them calmly because you don't have anything to do with what's wrong with them. That's kind of how we look to God. But it's a larger scale then that because God is much greater than us. We're so small nothing we do or think really matters. It's like how we don't care what an ant thinks, divinity doesn't care what we think.
Interesting points but unrelated to the forum topic.
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Old 18-12-2020, 08:37 AM
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How the movement, philosophy and religion of (Modern) Spiritualism 'came to be' can be found explained simply on the SNU website https://www.snu.org.uk/ The information there will explain far better than I can what you're asking about.

Maybe you're missing the points I made? When you wrote earlier: "Both are man-made belief systems and that spiritualism is the belief that the dead can communicate with the living and vice a versa & that there is an afterlife reincarnation. Also that the dead can provide useful information to those seeking it and asking for it from the spirit realms." it showed you do not understand what Spiritualism is about. And I'm not talking about the catch-all word 'spiritualism' - this is the 'Spiritualism' forum in the category 'Religions & Faiths'.

I'm not an expert on Spiritualism but I do know much more about it than you.
That you might. That's why I asked.
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Old 18-12-2020, 09:06 AM
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That you might. That's why I asked.

There's no "might" about it. It's one of my specialisms and I'll try to help genuine seekers to understand it better but so many mistake 'spiritualism' and 'spirituality' for 'Spiritualism'......
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Old 18-12-2020, 09:15 AM
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There's no "might" about it. It's one of my specialisms and I'll try to help genuine seekers to understand it better but so many mistake 'spiritualism' and 'spirituality' for 'Spiritualism'......
It's a 'might' to me because I not to know you eat, sleep, breath it.
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Old 18-12-2020, 10:14 AM
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It's a 'might' to me because I not to know you eat, sleep, breath it.

Then it ought no longer to be a "might" for you.

You can be completely certain that although I don't eat, sleep or breathe Spiritualism it IS one of my specialisms and I DO know what it's about.
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Old 18-12-2020, 11:56 AM
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I have known Bobjob for many years.and he does know what he is talking about when it comes to spiritulism.



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Old 18-12-2020, 01:50 PM
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I know I could look it up.
But BJ, ha, not Big John ---do you wanna just write the basic 1-4 or 5
that would make a person a Spiritualist?
But very simple, basic? (Not what it isn't.)
Christians have their's - the list is simple, clear and listed in the Apostle's Creed; ya don't believe
in just one you can't call yourself a Christian, (tho, many may think they are, ha!! They can be a thief ---but
if they believe all of that Creed - they are a Christian -tho they are considered 'sinners', who Christ came for!!)
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