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Old 11-01-2021, 12:29 AM
GlitterRose GlitterRose is offline
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For me...... that is when Magick begins.

and as you wrote: "you can have certain kinds of experiences you wouldn't otherwise be able to have". and I can attest to that.

Some people do call it that.
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Old 11-01-2021, 12:54 AM
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1) Does anyone have any idea on why stillness is THAT important? For the rational mind this is not understandable. Especially when it comes to that enlightenment and siddhis are achieved by this method.
A scattered mind is the obstacle to simple tranquility. Similarly it's an even greater obstacle to enlightenment and/or siddhis as they are far beyond simple tranquility.

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2) Maybe someone can give me advice on why it is worth investing many hours per day on sadhana instead of living an "ordinary" life.
How can I convince myself that meditation is worth doing?
I can't give you advice on what is or is not worth your effort, only on techniques that seem to have produced tangible results for me. As you rightly point out you're going to have to convince yourself. That being said there are two examples in this thread of spontaneous siddhi-like precognition events and I will credit mine to meditation. I will also relate I had the waking equivalent of a lucid dream that lasted several weeks and this too I credit to meditation.

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3) I've still not completely come to terms with the duality of "do nothing - universe will do/give everything necessary" vs "you have to do some work / sadhana". So --- which one is it? Why not play computer all day? Or completey ignore the spiritual way; if nothing can be achieved but only given by grace or surrender (I do not yet completely understand this concept).
It's paradoxical. "There is no path, but only a fool doesn't follow it". ~ Unknown https://youtu.be/Ku8cCrdh4Ic


If your main interest is siddhis then Patanjili's Yoga Sutras might be helpful. https://swamij.com/pdf/yogasutrasinterpretive.pdf


http://the-wanderling.com/siddhis.html According to the Buddha and how the sutras are said to present it, to manifest or execute the abilities of Siddhis, a stringent regimen of meditation and concentration MUST meet certain levels of accomplishments. To reach such a level the meditator must be perfect in the precepts (Sila), bring his thoughts to a state of quiescence (Samadhi), practice diligently the trances (Jhana), attain to insight (Prajna) and be frequenter to lonely places.
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Old 13-01-2021, 12:16 AM
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Since Miss Hepburn asked me to open a new thread for this, I decided that it might be a good idea :)

I meditate twice daily with increasing duration for a few years now. Still being very easily distracted especially by thoughts. No ekaggata yet (btw 2 wiki articles?? Ekagrata <> Ekaggata)

1) Does anyone have any idea on why stillness is THAT important? For the rational mind this is not understandable. Especially when it comes to that enlightenment and siddhis are achieved by this method.

Stillness is no the goal is the result and mediation is a tool. The goal is mind discipline that leads you to enlightenment. Mind discipline eventually induces stillness. But something has to happen in your life to find meditation necessary, some call this awakening. It is the need to meditate that happens first. Awakening might make you feel meditation is necessary

2) Maybe someone can give me advice on why it is worth investing many hours per day on sadhana instead of living an "ordinary" life.
How can I convince myself that meditation is worth doing?

Again first you feel the need to meditate and then you meditate. The questions you ask are the sign you should not meditate. You should find your way and not follow someone else. There are dynamic ways you can achieve mind discipline. Drums and dance was the method for the shamans of old to achieve the enlighten state of mind

3) I've still not completely come to terms with the duality of "do nothing - universe will do/give everything necessary" vs "you have to do some work / sadhana". So --- which one is it? Why not play computer all day? Or completey ignore the spiritual way; if nothing can be achieved but only given by grace or surrender (I do not yet completely understand this concept).

You must follow your heart and your mind. You might vibrate with some information or method and not vibrate with other information. You must do what it feels right. I believe a chess player achieve the deepest meditative state by just focusing on the next move. It would be interesting to read the brain of a chess player and of a monk during meditation. I have a feeling the brain wave might be very similar.

What do you think?
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Old 13-01-2021, 06:29 PM
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So interesting. Lotta people talking about quieting the mind but in this thread people are just rambling and gossiping, instead of giving concrete answer to my already repeated request. Just chatting about meditation in general. Yes, this is the category "Meditation", but there are threads for a reason.
Let me collect some minus points for stating this fact. Shouldn't decades of meditation make you more aware of rambling? (rhetorical question, dont start a discussion about this please)
So I will try one last time...
Nobody can tell you what it is like to achieve stillness, as it is not open to decription by words.We can only ramble about it, and talk about how it improved our lives, but to experience it personally is a different matter.It is a seperate form of consiousness that goes beyond words, and beyond thought.It must be experienced by the practitioner themselves, to make any sense.The general converstaion about meditation, you describe, has all the information you need to learn this artform as well as we have learned it.We can only point the way and you have to do the rest yourself.
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Old 13-01-2021, 08:05 PM
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Since no one was responding to my request on page 8 and then also to the last one:
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So, if my request for a proof/demonstration cannot be followed -might I add I call out to everyone here-, I assume you'd argue that it's just not important. But when someone says "everything is revealed" to me that also includes unimportant stuff. Otherwise be more careful with the words used ;)

I also like to add, although I should have made this more than clear, that I have more than understood that it is not the Siddhi to be achieved as the end-goal. I am FULLY aware of that! But always hearing excuses from people why they specifically cannot do it and always hearing all the great stories of dead Yogis is unsatisfying, I guess you can understand that. Even though I want to believe whatever stories you share here, I cannot help but get the image of someone who has never seen a siddhi and excuses this always with "not important", plus this is true for me. I tell you what - to me, seeing them IS important. IT IS. For me. If I wanna stroke cats in this world, I will. If I want to see siddhis in action, I will. And I will not let myself be told what is important and what not by someone else. I am living my own life and whether all other people shun siddhis or not, I dont care. It's not like even if I had them myself I would be sitting around in my room performing magic all day until I die... To me it could well be another tool in the toolbox of life. And I'd rather have one more than less, especially as long as realization is not upon me.

So, some people mentioned teachers. Who of these teachers is still alive and teaching? I might likely start a big travel next year if the clown-fiesta allows that and am still collecting potential ashrams/teachers.
The big question though is whether they can add anything that hasn't been said a thousand times already :)

Asking for the fourth time
I'm really hoping at least ONE in this forum can demonstrate any siddhi to me. Or that at least one teacher can be named who can and who still teaches.
What was described so far are not siddhis to me (precognition, no pain because father beat the *deleted* out of you) because there seems to be no conscious control over it. Bilocation sounds nice but also there was no control over it as far as I understood it.

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Old 13-01-2021, 09:22 PM
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Since no one was responding to my request on page 8 and then also to the last one:


Asking for the fourth time
I'm really hoping at least ONE in this forum can demonstrate any siddhi to me. Or that at least one teacher can be named who can and who still teaches.
What was described so far are not siddhis to me (precognition, no pain because father beat the *deleted* out of you) because there seems to be no conscious control over it. Bilocation sounds nice but also there was no control over it as far as I understood it.
We don't require any proof for our efforts as we live our lives in a meditative way.I don't ever get sick and can control my health over the last 30 years.Do I care if you believe me.Not even a little.I don't require freezing at the Dentist as I can control pain, and have never taken any painkillers,even aspirin.Believe me or not ,but these forms of awareness, lead to this kind of control over your thoughts and awareness.Proof is all up to yourself, dedicating your life to this form of awareness like we have.As I said before, we can only point the way,and the rest is up to you.
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Old 14-01-2021, 01:36 PM
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Nobody can tell you what it is like to achieve stillness, as it is not open to decription by words.We can only ramble about it, and talk about how it improved our lives, but to experience it personally is a different matter.It is a seperate form of consiousness that goes beyond words, and beyond thought.It must be experienced by the practitioner themselves, to make any sense.The general converstaion about meditation, you describe, has all the information you need to learn this artform as well as we have learned it.We can only point the way and you have to do the rest yourself.

Very well said !
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Old 14-01-2021, 03:41 PM
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Nobody can tell you what it is like to achieve stillness, as it is not open to description by words.....
But, it's fun trying!!!

It reminds me of the sudden wonder a dolphin might feel when jumping up
into what seems like another dimension...thoughts, hunger, fear, stop
and just wonder, pure awareness takes their place.
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