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Old 18-09-2016, 08:41 PM
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Duality; A Requirement of Creation

I view duality as a necessary requirement of creation; and there are many religions which embrace non-duality, Hinduism, Taoism, etc, but my view is more of a metaphysical point of view.

Any time we talk about the one and the many we are talking about duality; duality is the illusion of separateness. From an esoteric Kabalistic point of view duality is nothing more than reflection; light refracted giving the appearance of opposites.

The human mind is a slave to duality; as the essence of memory (past) and imagination (future) is to compare and contrast. Comparing and contrasting is a function of duality. It basically points out how “this” is similar, or different, from “that,” when in non-duality there is no this or that.

The “Trinity” is looked at in many religions as the Godhead or makeup of God; three in one concept. In Tarot, Numerology, etc. the number “3” is the number of creation, or creative imagination, as is depicted in the Empress Tarot Key, but the number-3 is also embraced by many religions as a symbol of creation.

Creation happens when two dissimilar things are bought together producing a third thing. Childbirth, man, woman, sperm, egg, etc. To paint a picture, or write a note, you bring together paint and canvas, or paper and pencil, which creates the picture or the note. You need at least two things that will produce a third thing.

In my opinion this is the essence of duality; manufacturing opposites that will give birth to creation. Kabbalah states that in the beginning was the word; that word was cosmic “sound,” which became light, and light refracted created duality, which according to Kabalistic thought, gave birth to this creation.
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Old 22-09-2016, 02:31 AM
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I view duality as a necessary requirement of creation; and there are many religions which embrace non-duality, Hinduism, Taoism, etc, but my view is more of a metaphysical point of view.

Any time we talk about the one and the many we are talking about duality; duality is the illusion of separateness.
Why do you view separateness as an illusion?

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From an esoteric Kabalistic point of view duality is nothing more than reflection; light refracted giving the appearance of opposites.

The human mind is a slave to duality; as the essence of memory (past) and imagination (future) is to compare and contrast. Comparing and contrasting is a function of duality. It basically points out how “this” is similar, or different, from “that,” when in non-duality there is no this or that.

The “Trinity” is looked at in many religions as the Godhead or makeup of God; three in one concept. In Tarot, Numerology, etc. the number “3” is the number of creation, or creative imagination, as is depicted in the Empress Tarot Key, but the number-3 is also embraced by many religions as a symbol of creation.

Creation happens when two dissimilar things are bought together producing a third thing. Childbirth, man, woman, sperm, egg, etc. To paint a picture, or write a note, you bring together paint and canvas, or paper and pencil, which creates the picture or the note. You need at least two things that will produce a third thing.
You omitted you who brought the two things together. Without you, what would pen and paper do?

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In my opinion this is the essence of duality; manufacturing opposites that will give birth to creation. Kabbalah states that in the beginning was the word; that word was cosmic “sound,” which became light, and light refracted created duality, which according to Kabalistic thought, gave birth to this creation.:smile.
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Old 23-09-2016, 12:28 PM
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Maybe this would help in understanding illusion better...and separation?

Meher Baba:


God is love. And Love must love. And to love there must be a Beloved.
But since God is Existence infinite and eternal there is no one for Him to love but Himself.

And in order to love Himself, He must imagine Himself as the Beloved whom He
as the lover imagines He loves.

Beloved and lover implies separation.

And separation creates longing; and longing causes search.
And the wider and the more intense the search, the greater the separation and the more terrible the longing.
When longing is at it's most intense, separation is complete, and the purpose of separation, which was
that love might experience itself as lover and Beloved,
is fulfilled; and union follows.

And when union is attained, the lover knows that he himself was all along the Beloved, whom he loved and desired union with;
and that all the impossible situations that he overcame were obstacles which he himself had placed in the path to himself.

To attain union is so impossibly difficult because it is impossible to become what you already are!
Union is nothing other than knowledge of oneself as the Only One.


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Old 24-09-2016, 12:12 PM
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Maybe this would help in understanding illusion better...and separation?

Meher Baba:


God is love. And Love must love. And to love there must be a Beloved.
But since God is Existence infinite and eternal there is no one for Him to love but Himself.

And in order to love Himself, He must imagine Himself as the Beloved whom He
as the lover imagines He loves.

Beloved and lover implies separation.

And separation creates longing; and longing causes search.
And the wider and the more intense the search, the greater the separation and the more terrible the longing.
When longing is at it's most intense, separation is complete, and the purpose of separation, which was
that love might experience itself as lover and Beloved,
is fulfilled; and union follows.

And when union is attained, the lover knows that he himself was all along the Beloved, whom he loved and desired union with;
and that all the impossible situations that he overcame were obstacles which he himself had placed in the path to himself.

To attain union is so impossibly difficult because it is impossible to become what you already are!
Union is nothing other than knowledge of oneself as the Only One.


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In the physical realm we definitely experience separation so why would it be an illusion?
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Old 24-09-2016, 06:04 PM
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Why do you view separateness as an illusion?

You omitted you who brought the two things together. Without you, what would pen and paper do?
Creativeness does not need me to be involved; the example of a pen an paper is a very narrow analogy; the sun evaporates water which is collected in the clouds and later creates rain, this is an example where human beings are not involved. Nature is very creative.


Separation is an illusion because no one is an island, no one stands alone; what I do to you I also do to myself. Generally people think of separation in the physical sense, as our emotional and mental states definitely effect other people and are not isolated to us alone, but a point of view can be made that we are all physically connected as well; the human race is family and if we dig deep enough we will find how closely related we are physically.

There are babies that die from sudden infant death syndrome because of a lack of human touch. I have purposely not mentioned our spiritual cohesiveness because I believe, and there is so-called objective proof, that we are also connected emotionally, mentally, and physically. Illusion in this sense does not mean not real, it just means illusive, changeable, not permanent, etc. Our connective-ness can be seen on the surface but it is much greater below the surface. Separation is an illusion because we have no idea how many people we touch everyday, and especially given online forums like this one.
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Old 25-09-2016, 12:31 AM
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I view duality as a necessary requirement of creation; and there are many religions which embrace non-duality, Hinduism, Taoism, etc, but my view is more of a metaphysical point of view.

Any time we talk about the one and the many we are talking about duality; duality is the illusion of separateness. From an esoteric Kabalistic point of view duality is nothing more than reflection; light refracted giving the appearance of opposites.

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Your initial statement indicates you are going to talk about duality and creation. Then in the rest of the post you talk about the 'one and the many' (separateness). Creation could just as easily have been only 'one' OR 'many' not both as you indicate. As such, creation does NOT require duality.

As suggested by another, the original post is more about the illusion of separation than duality or creation.
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This whole thing about trying to frame everything into duality is merely an artifact of the way the brain processes stuff. It 'works' best with choosing and contrasting among two (2). Further, it actively tries either to pare down to two choices or create additional choices so that there are two. This is documented by science.
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Old 25-09-2016, 01:07 AM
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In my opinion duality is a matter of perception and nothing more; creation is also a matter of perception; as a person can choose to either see the many or they can choose to see the one in everything. You can take what I am sharing here literally or you can just get the gist of what I've shared. My guru used to say to me that the human mind will latch onto words an analyze them but just get the gist of what I've said and not get caught in the words. This is something which I try to practice when reading others posts. In my opinion separateness is creation and duality is inherent in separateness.
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Old 25-09-2016, 05:51 AM
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Separateness is creation because everything is created from something, and the very fact that it is created from something creates a dual nature. But duality is more about opposites than it is about numbers in the creative process. Opposites are identical in nature but different in degree.

"Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled." — The Kybalion.
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Old 25-09-2016, 06:23 AM
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Old 25-09-2016, 07:21 AM
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Separateness is creation because everything is created from something
So where did the first something come from?
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