Path of Christian Mysticism

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by kundalinikid

Hmm, 6 pages so far and no one has touched on the key points of Mysticism or Gnosis.

What is Gnosis but knowledge. Knowledge of what? The knowledge coming from direct experience with God. It is when you cross the bridge from faith to knowing. It is when you believe there is a God without a single doubt in your mind. By faith one experiences and by experience one knows. Unyielding faith is thus a requirement of knowing.

Also, the Orthodox Bible has more esoteric interpretations than one may interpret. In one school you have the profane who may literally interpret Genesis as a talking snake coming down a tree. On another level it may represent the necessity to obey God. On a still deeper level the snake may represent the lowest form of animal desire, as the New Testament often refers to as the flesh. On still an even deeper level it may relate to the raising and lowering of serpent energy, chakras, the fall of man, an allegory for the relationship of the Divine Feminine and Masculine, and sexual energy.

The beauty of telling things in allegory, story, and metaphor is it gives the reader the power to relate their innermost experiences to the metaphors and stories. This makes it dynamic because at say 15 years of age a passage may have x meaning to you. As your life progresses and experience increases it may now have y meaning to you or x and y. It doesn't make x or y any less correct. It merely speaks to its dynamic nature.

Often times I believe religion clings too much to a single interpretation or meaning. This is Spiritual cancer.

Finally, I think ultimately you will find esoteric Christianity does not differ much from esoteric forms of Hinduism, Taoism or Sufi Muslims. However, I believe Esoteric Christianity to offer huge advantages. One because of the scope of the literature. Two because the excellent translations. Three because how it is written. By this I mean the way it is veiled forces the reader to think and understand or to be uncertain but to understand at a later time. This is a far cry from someone telling you exactly the meaning of something, how it works, why it works, and what and why you believe something. God himself could walk into your door and tell you the meaning of everything and it simply wouldn't mean much to you. You may even laugh at some explanations. Because that is not how it works. It's not until we experience, live, learn, and grow that the journey is complete and I leave you with this:

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried you in the furnace of affliction.

good post!

but we're too busy arguing lol! Besides what is a mystic able to say? Once you say things like Unyielding faith is thus a requirement of knowing. the next thought that pops into peoples mind (if they aren't desiring to fight you on it) is 'how can I gain something from utilizing that statement'?

It becomes a basis for activity, instead of as a description, and in that becomes wanting because then you have to decipher what it 'means' to have 'unyielding faith' so you can make sure you do it right so you will get your reward, and what it 'means' to be 'knowing' so you can be sure you get your just measure of reward for your activity. At that point most just give up and the rest of us have headaches forever

anyway other traditions have texts with meanings that are equally as hidden from view, but it is the same as with christianity... you either see that there is something deeper going on or you don't. The one I have been with the most recently is so different from what people think as to make me awed as to how well they hid in plain site

But anyway I sense from the christian texts that one of the differences between christianity and other 'traditions' is that the traditions each keep mostly to themselves whereas christianity talks to people of every tradition. As it was said 'each heard in their own language'. So christianity is more 'universal' than the standard stuff coming out of the east... the traditions are like loners whereas christianity wanted a family lol!

[kundalinikid]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

good post!

but we're too busy arguing lol! Besides what is a mystic able to say? Once you say things like Unyielding faith is thus a requirement of knowing. the next thought that pops into peoples mind (if they aren't desiring to fight you on it) is 'how can I gain something from utilizing that statement'?

It becomes a basis for activity, instead of as a description, and in that becomes wanting because then you have to decipher what it 'means' to have 'unyielding faith' so you can make sure you do it right so you will get your reward, and what it 'means' to be 'knowing' so you can be sure you get your just measure of reward for your activity. At that point most just give up and the rest of us have headaches forever

anyway other traditions have texts with meanings that are equally as hidden from view, but it is the same as with christianity... you either see that there is something deeper going on or you don't. The one I have been with the most recently is so different from what people think as to make me awed as to how well they hid in plain site

But anyway I sense from the christian texts that one of the differences between christianity and other 'traditions' is that the traditions each keep mostly to themselves whereas christianity talks to people of every tradition. As it was said 'each heard in their own language'. So christianity is more 'universal' than the standard stuff coming out of the east... the traditions are like loners whereas christianity wanted a family lol!

Glad someone enjoyed my post. I put more thought into it than most.

[Amilius777]

When you speak of Christian Mysticism I always feel like I am stepping into something that is very ancient and timeless, but something new.

I don't know how many people are aware of this but the foundations of the Christ Mysteries began before Jesus was born. Roughly a century before Jesus incarnated, the Essenes were the keepers of secret knowledge which wasn't really secretive. It was just shunned by the mainline Temple Judaism of the time.

In fact the knowledge and practices of the Essenes harkened back to the Second Temple of Solomon and even before going back to King David. The Essenes were influenced by eastern philosophy which infiltrated Greek thought. The Buddha and his teachigns actually spread to Greece. That is why we have statues of the Buddha designed with a halo. It was a later rendition inspired by Christian images of Christ. It's actually not the other way around. You'd be surprised to find the history of Buddha Statues mainly come from Greek Art. Remember Alexander the Great conquered as far as India; trade routes and roads were developed.

The Mysteries of the Essenes go all the way back to Egypt. In fact most of Christ's teachings are a rejuvenation of the Egyptian spirituality. A new way of expression of the Christ Mysteries. The Christ is not a person's name. The Christ is the state of being anointed by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Christ Spirit which is active in every religion.
But from time to time there has been a major Teacher or master who was enlightened by the Holy Spirit through the ages.

The Christian spirituality is one founded on these old principles and practices of that Christ Consciousness. There had been an evolution, a raising up of that consciousness in history. They can be seen periodically through the Astrological Ages. During the age of Taurus, the Divine was seen as many gods but reaching Aries It became a single God distant from humanity, and now in Pisces it is a single God who is within and with humanity, and in Aquarius God will be more of a oneness with humanity. This is the Christ consciousness, the Holy Spirit as it manifests through the third dimension; as our souls evolve.

There is some evidence that early followers of Jesus were not Essenes but shared similar beliefs. One of these was restoring the Truth to the Temple and purifying the awareness of God. Jesus speaks of "his Father" and "the Holy Spirit", he speaks of a Male and Female energy of God. Jesus broke off from the Essene thought after John the Baptist was killed. Jesus wanted to take the Christ consciousness, the Holy Spirit which he carried at such a level of oneness with the Father to all his people and heal them of their suffering.

This Piscean Age began when Jesus ministered, healed, exorcized, and taught among his people. What is amazing about Jesus who became the Christ, became the physical embodiment of the Spirit, "the Son" is that he took that consciousness to a place where it could save us from our karma, and redeem us. No matter where one goes, if you lived as a sinner in one lifetime then a saint or vice versa, as the soul expands and evolves it can always retain it's original identity right now as being a child of God. No sin, or darkness ,or negativity committed by the soul could wash away the eternal imprint of God's child within you.
Only through forgiveness, letting go, and accepting love over fear can the soul end the need to reincarnate in a lower form and continue to evolve in the higher spiritual realms.

The spiritual faith of Christianity was a game changer for our souls entering this dimension and evolving through the physical realm. Jesus was a highly evolved, perfect soul who made a "new covenant" with God at the last Supper and with his crucifixion. Souls in the past always paid their debts in another lifetime. This mode, the old law, the Law of Karma is still prevalent. Just look at all the atrocities, and tragedies that occur in history. A parent loses a child to a murderer. That child's soul chose to incarnate to be a teacher for that parent. That parent had problems with forgiveness in past lives or never forgave their enemies and in this one they have the chance under very difficult circumstance to forgive. But the new Law, the Law of Grace which was always present, became a reality in human history with CHrist's death. In this new contract, Jesus would take on the full punishment, the full penalty of a soul's karmic debt in the 3rd dimension (on the Cross Jesus was shamed, humiliated, tortured, abused, mocked, betrayed, killed etc) to show the evidence of the Law of Grace, Forgiveness. Jesus had his own karma to release but the severity was for the sake of ending the old way of scapegoating, sacrifice, eye for an eye, blame, shaming, etc with surrendering to love, forgiveness, God, the Spirit over ego and selfishness.

Let's say you killed someone in a past life as Joe. Joe comes back as George to remove their negative karma by replacing it with acts of healing, kindness, hospice, charity to those souls they share a bond and binding with. If the other souls who were victims of George when he was Joe allow to be healed and fixed, both parties are saved and purified. Even though George has evolved from being the killer Joe from the past and is raising his consciousness, he may still experience a tragic or rough way of exiting life since the karma has to be paid. But it is mostly lessened or totally absorbed in the power of healing and forgiveness. Of course if Joe came back as George to repeat his violent propensities of the past he will be met with more negative karma and his suffering will continue and even experience Hell on the Other Side

But if one put's their full trust in the Christ, the one who Jesus had become and abide by his example and believe he is "the savior" one can be quickened in their evolution. Not just by mere belief but by doing the things Christ said to do.

The resurrection was evidence by the Divine that this is the way of God and the highest way, the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus was surely finishing his own soul development and paying his karma, and became a highly ascended soul. But the task he took upon himself as "God's son" which was a historical purpose, his soul's purpose in the 3rd dimension is unique to the School of the Ancient Mysteries.

You won't hear the Catholic Church go on about this stuff because the system they created in the 4th century was to cut out all the Christ Mysteries, Ancient Mystery School knowledge, and the Egyptian links to Essenic Judaism and Jesus' new Covenant.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Amilius777

When you speak of Christian Mysticism I always feel like I am stepping into something that is very ancient and timeless, but something new.

I don't know how many people are aware of this but the foundations of the Christ Mysteries began before Jesus was born. Roughly a century before Jesus incarnated, the Essenes were the keepers of secret knowledge which wasn't really secretive. It was just shunned by the mainline Temple Judaism of the time.

In fact the knowledge and practices of the Essenes harkened back to the Second Temple of Solomon and even before going back to King David. The Essenes were influenced by eastern philosophy which infiltrated Greek thought. The Buddha and his teachigns actually spread to Greece. That is why we have statues of the Buddha designed with a halo. It was a later rendition inspired by Christian images of Christ. It's actually not the other way around. You'd be surprised to find the history of Buddha Statues mainly come from Greek Art. Remember Alexander the Great conquered as far as India; trade routes and roads were developed.

The Mysteries of the Essenes go all the way back to Egypt. In fact most of Christ's teachings are a rejuvenation of the Egyptian spirituality. A new way of expression of the Christ Mysteries. The Christ is not a person's name. The Christ is the state of being anointed by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Christ Spirit which is active in every religion.
But from time to time there has been a major Teacher or master who was enlightened by the Holy Spirit through the ages.

The Christian spirituality is one founded on these old principles and practices of that Christ Consciousness. There had been an evolution, a raising up of that consciousness in history. They can be seen periodically through the Astrological Ages. During the age of Taurus, the Divine was seen as many gods but reaching Aries It became a single God distant from humanity, and now in Pisces it is a single God who is within and with humanity, and in Aquarius God will be more of a oneness with humanity. This is the Christ consciousness, the Holy Spirit as it manifests through the third dimension; as our souls evolve.

There is some evidence that early followers of Jesus were not Essenes but shared similar beliefs. One of these was restoring the Truth to the Temple and purifying the awareness of God. Jesus speaks of "his Father" and "the Holy Spirit", he speaks of a Male and Female energy of God. Jesus broke off from the Essene thought after John the Baptist was killed. Jesus wanted to take the Christ consciousness, the Holy Spirit which he carried at such a level of oneness with the Father to all his people and heal them of their suffering.

This Piscean Age began when Jesus ministered, healed, exorcized, and taught among his people. What is amazing about Jesus who became the Christ, became the physical embodiment of the Spirit, "the Son" is that he took that consciousness to a place where it could save us from our karma, and redeem us. No matter where one goes, if you lived as a sinner in one lifetime then a saint or vice versa, as the soul expands and evolves it can always retain it's original identity right now as being a child of God. No sin, or darkness ,or negativity committed by the soul could wash away the eternal imprint of God's child within you.
Only through forgiveness, letting go, and accepting love over fear can the soul end the need to reincarnate in a lower form and continue to evolve in the higher spiritual realms.

The spiritual faith of Christianity was a game changer for our souls entering this dimension and evolving through the physical realm. Jesus was a highly evolved, perfect soul who made a "new covenant" with God at the last Supper and with his crucifixion. Souls in the past always paid their debts in another lifetime. This mode, the old law, the Law of Karma is still prevalent. Just look at all the atrocities, and tragedies that occur in history. A parent loses a child to a murderer. That child's soul chose to incarnate to be a teacher for that parent. That parent had problems with forgiveness in past lives or never forgave their enemies and in this one they have the chance under very difficult circumstance to forgive. But the new Law, the Law of Grace which was always present, became a reality in human history with CHrist's death. In this new contract, Jesus would take on the full punishment, the full penalty of a soul's karmic debt in the 3rd dimension (on the Cross Jesus was shamed, humiliated, tortured, abused, mocked, betrayed, killed etc) to show the evidence of the Law of Grace, Forgiveness. Jesus had his own karma to release but the severity was for the sake of ending the old way of scapegoating, sacrifice, eye for an eye, blame, shaming, etc with surrendering to love, forgiveness, God, the Spirit over ego and selfishness.

Let's say you killed someone in a past life as Joe. Joe comes back as George to remove their negative karma by replacing it with acts of healing, kindness, hospice, charity to those souls they share a bond and binding with. If the other souls who were victims of George when he was Joe allow to be healed and fixed, both parties are saved and purified. Even though George has evolved from being the killer Joe from the past and is raising his consciousness, he may still experience a tragic or rough way of exiting life since the karma has to be paid. But it is mostly lessened or totally absorbed in the power of healing and forgiveness. Of course if Joe came back as George to repeat his violent propensities of the past he will be met with more negative karma and his suffering will continue and even experience Hell on the Other Side

But if one put's their full trust in the Christ, the one who Jesus had become and abide by his example and believe he is "the savior" one can be quickened in their evolution. Not just by mere belief but by doing the things Christ said to do.

The resurrection was evidence by the Divine that this is the way of God and the highest way, the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus was surely finishing his own soul development and paying his karma, and became a highly ascended soul. But the task he took upon himself as "God's son" which was a historical purpose, his soul's purpose in the 3rd dimension is unique to the School of the Ancient Mysteries.

You won't hear the Catholic Church go on about this stuff because the system they created in the 4th century was to cut out all the Christ Mysteries, Ancient Mystery School knowledge, and the Egyptian links to Essenic Judaism and Jesus' new Covenant.

Well reasoned, Am. Both the Lord and John apparently had affiliation with the Essenes.
One thing though about reincarnation, in the greater reality it is not linear or successive.

Also, the author of the book "Signs in the Sky" pointed out how, through the ages from the beginning, there seems to have been a "Son of Man" school. Which was centered in different places through time. A signal of it involves the dress described of certain prophets involving the wide belt, and camel hair clothing.
All of which involves Orion, who he says was referred to as, "The Son of Man in the Sky", by the Egyptians.

[AlwaysDayAfterYesterday]

Originally Posted by Being

i find myself becoming more & more drawn to a path of Christian mysticism.

i have always been very interested in the Gnostic's & Essenes.

i was raised Church of England.

i don't much like orthodox/organised/exoteric religion - But a personal practise within a mystical/Gnostic tradition i do find appealing.

Do others here follow that path?

Most do not realize that the Hebrew tradition is the Aleph, or masculine religious tradition of self-control. Hinduism, Buddhism, Tao and Zen are all outcroppings of the feminine side of God, or Spirit. In Genesis 1, Elohim is a plural, not a singular. Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God) is feminine. You get this straight in two later verses. First, the image of God is BOTH male and female. Marriage is union of multiples, or a Hebrew word Echad (Unity). The other verse is this: "Let US make mankind in OUR image and likeness." Christians will not accept any of this, as it conflicts with theology (not scripture itself).

You are seeking the Mother, or Mind of God in mysticism. Being drawn to this is the first sign you are overcoming the fault in the Son, which is you. Until a person can look at the Bible and overcome the error in both sides of the Lord, the mind is not prepared to find the hidden aspect of God, namely the Spirit of Righteousness. Sanskrit is the other half of Hebrew. Make the two one (both traditions) and the mind is activated by both Prayer (in the Bible defined) and Meditation (defined in the Eastern tradition).

BUDH, or buddha, is a word that means to awaken in Sanskrit. Buddha (cap B) is the teaching of the Buddha. Buddha is not a single thing, but a collective of mankind in Sattva (truth above / true being). Tamas (ignorance below) is the realm of the Son of the Son of God (Manu). Manu is Man, or defied as, "to think" in Sanskrit. Yama is another name for Yahweh in Hebrew, meaning to head west. Yama in Sanskrit is the ruler of the underworld (just like Yahweh) and means, self-control.

Why don't we know this in the Christian world? Make two into one (Yoga). Yoga means union, or Echad. Yachid in Hebrew means single, or alone.

You desire to awaken. Let me know if you need help. You are not alone. This does not negate Christ. It confirms his path (way) as the same. When he was baptized, both parents were there. Father is Elohim. Mother is hidden in peace (the dove). Yama's bird of choice is the dove, symbolizing death. A Hebrew dove is peace. In essence, the Lord of the OT had to die in baptism (life reborn) to find his new birth above in Sattva (right hand of God). In Sanskrit, Christ is a Bodhisattva. Bodhisattvas must return after gaining a noble voice with the Mother. All of us become this as we awaken (budh).

Read my welcome for more.

[Yessy]

Gnosticism


1 Timothy 6:20-21 ESV

O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

Colossians 2:8 ESV

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

2 Timothy 3:16 ESV

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

1 John 4:2 ESV

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 ESV

For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, ...

1 John 4:3 ESV

And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

1 John 4:2-3 ESV

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

1 John 2:22 ESV

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

1 Corinthians 2:7 ESV

But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.

John 14:6 ESV

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

1 John 1:1-2 ESV

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us—

Revelation 2:15 ESV

So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans.

1 John 2:1-29 ESV

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: ...

Hebrews 6:4-8 ESV

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.

Luke 10:18-21 ESV

And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.” In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

1 Peter 1:15 ESV

But as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,

1 Corinthians 2:6-8 ESV

Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

John 13:1-38 ESV

Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart out of this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. During supper, when the devil had already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God, rose from supper. He laid aside his outer garments, and taking a towel, tied it around his waist. Then he poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet and to wipe them with the towel that was wrapped around him. ...

John 1:14 ESV

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jude 1:8 ESV

Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones.

Colossians 2:16-17 ESV

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Colossians 1:1-29 ESV

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the saints and faithful brothers in Christ at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father. We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love that you have for all the saints, because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, ...

Romans 6:23 ESV

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Luke 24:44 ESV

Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Genesis 2:7 ESV

Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

1 Corinthians 15:1-58 ESV

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. ...

Romans 1:1-32 ESV

Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, ..

[Morpheus]

Great posts Yessy.

"... According to the elemental spirits of the world".

Of which? There are many.

There is difference between what is Eternal, and that in time.
Between Heaven, and, "the world".
Jesus had plenty to say about, "the world".

[CrystalSong]

Originally Posted by Amilius777

When you speak of Christian Mysticism I always feel like I am stepping into something that is very ancient and timeless, but something new.

I don't know how many people are aware of this but the foundations of the Christ Mysteries began before Jesus was born. Roughly a century before Jesus incarnated, the Essenes were the keepers of secret knowledge which wasn't really secretive. It was just shunned by the mainline Temple Judaism of the time.

In fact the knowledge and practices of the Essenes harkened back to the Second Temple of Solomon and even before going back to King David. There is some evidence that early followers of Jesus were not Essenes but shared similar beliefs. One of these was restoring the Truth to the Temple and purifying the awareness of God. Jesus speaks of "his Father" and "the Holy Spirit", he speaks of a Male and Female energy of God. Jesus broke off from the Essene thought after John the Baptist was killed. Jesus wanted to take the Christ consciousness, the Holy Spirit which he carried at such a level of oneness with the Father to all his people and heal them of their suffering.

You won't hear the Catholic Church go on about this stuff because the system they created in the 4th century was to cut out all the Christ Mysteries, Ancient Mystery School knowledge, and the Egyptian links to Essenic Judaism and Jesus' new Covenant.

While reading translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls I found the Essene dated themselves back to "Enoch and Beyond to the Time of the Great Tree's". Which we don't even know how far back that is, mostly likely Pre-Younger Dryas Ice Age or even the Ice Age before that. When I go back in history the only time I've found 'Great Tree's in number as a Dominant Life form on Earth' is in association with Lemurian civilizations which is pre-Atlantis. Which would make the Essene tradition uncountably ancient. Extreme pre-history of civilization.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Yessy

Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

if they had known, that by doing this one thing that seemed so pleasant to them, it would end all their aspirations of anything they ever dream of, there is no way they would have done it. If they had truly known there were direct consequences to themselves and their own desires, they would have held back their hand.

And because if they had known not to do what they did there would have been no hope, this is why I like the fact that God spent so much effort deluding everyone into believing a lie.

[Yessy]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

if they had known, that by doing this one thing that seemed so pleasant to them, it would end all their aspirations of anything they ever dream of, there is no way they would have done it. If they had truly known there were direct consequences to themselves and their own desires, they would have held back their hand.

And because if they had known not to do what they did there would have been no hope, this is why I like the fact that God spent so much effort deluding everyone into believing a lie.

Yes, the Wisdom of God is so much higher than the wisdom of man.

Isaiah 55:9

King James Bible
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

1 Cor 3:18

King James Bible
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise