A New World or NOT!

He who descended on Jesus in the form of a dove and filled him with his spirit on the day that he was baptised, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my Son, (My chosen heir and successor) ‘THIS DAY’ I have begotten thee”. Was HE, who as Jesus gave up the spirit while crying out; “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me, abandoned his obedient servant and chosen heir on the cross before releasing all the spirits that had been gathered to him, whose graves were opened at that moment, and who, three days after Jesus was crucified, came out of their graves and entered the holy city and revealed themselves to many as the risen body of He, who was anointed as the heir to the throne of the Most high in the creation, who is the very one who has ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe, with his living presence. See Ephesians 4: 10.

Hebrew and Latin English translations both have; Genesis 5: 23; as stating that Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Christian New Testament; Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the cornerstone to all the righteous souls who are gathered in the creation of God’s new temple of Light, (The Son of man) to replace his old temporary tent=tabernacle, the body of mankind is the most important man in the Hebrew scriptures and the Christian Old and new Testaments, and yet his writings have been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

The Stone that the builders rejected has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

The author of the New Testament Hebrews 11: 5; could not have known that Enoch was carried to the throne of the ‘MOST HIGH’ in the creation, and translated so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him, unless he had read from, "The Book of the Secrets of Enoch."

The word “CHRIST” means “The Anointed One.” Enoch was the one anointed by the Most-High in the creation, ‘The Lord of Creatures,’ as his Heir and successor, (The Son of Man) who is Lord of spirits.

Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before ‘MY’ face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord’s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Most-High said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before ‘MY’ face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory."

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

To translate something is to change it from one form to another. Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not experience death, and he was not found because God had translated him.” (Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God)

Enoch was the one from the earlier age of Man that was destroyed by water, who was chosen to serve God before the body of Adam into all eternity. It was He who came down and it is he who is the very one who has ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe, with his living presence.

It was He, through his obedient servant Jesus, who while dead in the flesh but alive in spirit, descended through time, and preached the Good News also to those half-breed sons of gods and man who were disobedient in the days when Noah was building the ark and whose graves were opened at the death of Jesus.

The words of Enoch the righteous; “And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning their words. But when they write down truthfully all my words in their languages, and do not change or minish ought from my words but write them all down truthfully --- all that I first testified concerning them.

Then, I know another mystery, that books will be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learnt therefrom all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.'

[Chapter 105]
In those days the Lord bade (them) to summon and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show (it) unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I (ENOCH) and My son (JESUS) will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen.

Bracketed words (Enoch-Jesus) mine.

108: 11; And now I will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name, and I will seat each on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number; etc.

Peace to all.

[jojo50]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

@jojo50 and @Molearner, you only see perfection from the perspective of mind, set your mind on the things above, above means spiritual, higher, for as Jesus has said, you are from below and I am from above...

anyone can believe he's perfect or imperfect. but if it's Jehovah God's words, who are we to say differently, he and Jesus are the ones who created Man. to say we are perfect, is to say we know more that God and Jesus. you mentioned "Light of God that shines within", basically showing God-Like qualities. and "if one looks closely and truly, one can see God." Wow!... I really don't see much of that here. funny you mentioned "Us", concerning someone showing hatred.

as I stated MANY times, we are Perfectly MADE!, but we're NOT "Perfect", as in how we act, and live! so are you saying... those who kill, those who fornicate or commit Adultery are Perfect? how about liars or those who show HATRED, towards someone who's different then themselves in some way? EVERYONE here IS... guilty of at least one of these traits! which means we are NOT "Perfect! why was Jesus SENT to save us?, and save us from what?... we're "PERFECT!" remember?

again, MANY died during the Flood in Noah's time. are you saying that NOT one Person displayed the quality of "compassion, humility, mercy, forgiveness, love?" also when Jesus said what he did, he was referring to focusing on things that are Spiritual vs things of this world, which MANY do. I don't need to prove what I'm trying to do concerning Spiritual. your words..."if one looks closely and truly, one can see God." peace

Originally Posted by jojo50

anyone can believe he's perfect or imperfect. but if it's Jehovah God's words, who are we to say differently, he and Jesus are the ones who created Man.

And what makes you think that the man Jesus, the son of Mary and her half-brother Joseph, who were both sired by Heli= Alexander Helios, had anything to do with the creation of man?

[sky]

Originally Posted by The Anointed

Jesus, the son of Mary and her half-brother Joseph, who were both sired by Heli= Alexander Helios,

I have heard many variations in my lifetime but this is new to me

[jojo50]

we're made in the Image of both Jesus and Jehovah God, true!. Man was created "PERFECT" at one time. but again Adam lost that for ALL of us. it was Jehovah who said to Jesus... (Let's make Man in our own image Gen. 1:26), true! I do know that Jehovah God is "Perfection." I'm not referring to him... us! again, MANY on Earth have a loving caring Heart towards other. it doesn't mean they are "Perfect."

and just because one says he's perfect, don't mean it's so. we have to with a Spiritual mind, believe that Perfection is TO COME for those who make it through Armageddon. but until then, we're imperfect. I won't agree with anyone , just to make someone like me. Jesus already said for the truth, MANY will be hated. Jehovah words stand regardless of what MANY chose to believe.

again as Jesus Brother said ,(James 3:2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well). ALL humans SIN!, sin is the resource of being imperfect! everyone here is a SINNER! even if one refuse into believing they're NOT! so how can a sinner be perfect?

[BigJohn]

jojo50 wrote "so how can a sinner be perfect?"

and what you will be told by some is that there are no sinners.

To that answer, I ask, is the murderer or rapist perfect or is it their actions that are perfect?

[sky]

Originally Posted by jojo50

and just because one says he's perfect, don't mean it's so.

And it doesn't mean it's not so .

Originally Posted by sky123

I have heard many variations in my lifetime but this is new to me

Please reveal where, in scripture, you believe it is said that Jesus became the 'Son of God'?

Hebrews 5: 7-10; In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God, who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. But even though he was “A” Son of God, he learnt through his sufferings to be obedient. ‘When he was made perfect’, he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him, and God declared him to be high priest, in the priestly order of Melchizedek.

5:5; and Jesus became a priest for ever, in the priestly order of Melchizedek, on the day that he was baptised and the spirit of the Lord God our saviour, descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say; "You are my Son 'TODAY' I have become your Father," or "This day I have begotten thee."

In Luke 3: 22; Those who would have you believe that Jesus was a god who became a man, changed the original verse, to; “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”

While in Luke 3: 22; (In place of “Thou art my beloved son in who I am well pleased.”) The following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, “This day I have begotten thee,” vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old latin (a, b. c. ff.I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex, (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactaitius (AD 300), Hilary (AD) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD. 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, “This is my son in whom I am well pleased.” Whereas the original variant was, “Thou art my Son. This day I have begotten thee.”

Hebrew 5: 5; has; “You are my son, ‘TODAY’ I have become your Father.”

It seems obvious that for many there is no standard for perfection because tha assertion is that everyone is perfect. To some extent this is probably a bleed over from society in general. It is common practice in many places to convince children that whatever they do is admirable in every way. Perhaps rather than defining perfection which everybody already is perhaps we should consider if the word ‘exceptional’ can be defined…….

[sky]

Originally Posted by The Anointed

Please reveal where, in scripture, you believe it is said that Jesus became the 'Son of God'?

I personally didn't say I believe it is said....