The Eightfold Path - The Fourth Noble Truth

[BigJohn]

From what I see, The Eightfold Path - The Fourth Noble Truth seems to be in a quandary...... very similar to what happens on discussions with meditation.

Are they both so difficult to understand? Why is it that in predominate Buddhist countries, both The Eightfold Path - The Fourth Noble Truth and meditation seemed to be understood as if it was 'acquired' at birth?

Originally Posted by sky

Sorry Viswa, I'm not a Teacher but from my 'Personal' experiences I have found some 'Distractions' have been beneficial and taught me many lessons.

Good to hear this sir. It's okay.

Could you please share that benefits you personally experienced??

And also sir, what is meant by lessons?? What does lessons teach?? Lessons creates new beliefs. Isn't it sir??

Benefits and Lessons only adds up 'ego' of 'my','mine', 'what is right - what is wrong - what is good/bad', when keep on clinging/attaching to it. If it's not thrown away, whatever the lessons/benefits, it's still a distraction and one won't reach the final goal. Isn't it sir??

While running, if one wants to carry the gold whatever he seen on the runway, then it will add up weight and distracts and one can't reach the end on the path chosen sir.

To attain Nirvana, everything have to left behind, even have to thrown away from memory (not give interest/thought about it), and only in that freedom from everything, one enlightens. Every benefit and lessons, is still samsara.

Right?

Thank you.

[sky]

VISWA
Every benefit and lessons, is still samsara.
Right?
Thank you.

Imo, benefits/lessons are part of Samsara as is everything else
Btw I'm Female just call me Sky.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

From what I see, The Eightfold Path - The Fourth Noble Truth seems to be in a quandary

It's really a matter of nuance which people try to reduce something cruder, so it loses sublty to fit into a right vs. wrong binary.

Originally Posted by sky

Imo, benefits/lessons are part of Samsara as is everything else
Btw I'm Female just call me Sky.

Sure sky.

Yes. That's what Samsara is. So why to think about 'distractions', and give importance as 'benefits'?

Why not stop giving importance to it (as it is a benefit in my path or to me), as it is samsara, and be free from it and attain the final goal??

[Joe Mc]

Originally Posted by Joe Mc

I like the breakdown into Sila/Pana/Samadhi. I've heard the 8 fold path being called 8 limbs in the past, the Pali term for 'limb' is 'Anga'. Maybe this suggests an organic or holistic relationship between the parts or maybe it doesn't. The obvious starting point would seem like Samadhi because perhaps Morality is not possible without Awareness or anything else on the path for that matter is not possible without Awareness ? However, maybe Wisdom/Panna facilitates Samadhi ? I have no primary source material on the subject of the noble 8 fold path atm but perhaps that will come and i can post it which in itself begs the question ...is the Noble 8 Fold Path a subject for study or is it a lived experience etc. etc. or both. Maybe we will find out through this thread. Thanks for starting the thread btw Still Waters.
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Here is a post I wrote to try involve my self in the thread in a supportive way. I think I'm slightly Dyslexic and I'm very left handed, so kinda slow at least according to a friend of mine who is a post graduate in the field with a good few years of working in the field of Dyslexia etc. But my gripe here which caused me to become angry is to do with the 'Tone ' of the reply to my post which was made by Silent Waters which is neither here nor there, I don't really care who it was made by. If you read my post above I forward a couple of possibilities and I have underlined and bolded the words to indicate that I am far from an expert on this subject etc. etc.

Silent Waters replied, Regarding your comment about Samadhi being "the obvious starting point", that is not clear since Samadhi is a rather advanced state and quite uncommon among the general population to which Buddha was directing his teaching.

I found the 'Tone' of the reply condescending to be honest as I never said " the obvious starting point " I said, the obvious starting point would seem etc. If you care to read my post you will see that it is inquisitional and respectful. I felt the reply to my post was condescending and misrepresenting me. I am sorry for my subsequent angry reply and apologise for that ... I won't be participating any further in this thread. Thank you Best Regards. Joe.

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[sky]

Originally Posted by Viswa

Sure sky.
Why not stop giving importance to it (as it is a benefit in my path or to me), as it is samsara, and be free from it and attain the final goal??

Until you arrive at your final destination of choice you have to use a method of travel

Originally Posted by sky

Until you arrive at your final destination of choice you have to use a method of travel

Absolutely Sky. In Buddhism, the method is "Eightfold path", and the eye/interest should be only on 'final goal' of Nirvana.

If eye turns on Benefits, you know what happens - 'ego/samsara' persists and grows.

Anyways,. Nice speaking with you. Take care.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Viswa

Absolutely Sky. In Buddhism, the method is "Eightfold path",

If eye turns on Benefits, you know what happens - 'ego/samsara'

And The Buddha taught the Noble Eightfold Path for the ' Benefit ' of others

Originally Posted by sky

And The Buddha taught the Noble Eightfold Path for the ' Benefit ' of others

Sky, he coined about 'non-self'.

Then, how could he would have perceived 'others'??? In his view, there is Shunya. Things/words flow from his mouth, not in compassion to any, as he not see any.

No one to help here sky. One desires, one attaches, one suffers, one sees all this, one liberates. Nothing is here said in an intention to benefit others. It flows. Anything will reach One, when one seeks, even if it was not said before by any sages/Buddha/monks/religion/philosophers before. And that's how new religion/philosophies/perceptions are created.

In gita, this is said as "Do duty without any attachment to fruit" same as "water the seed not for any fruit, Don't get attached to the fruit".

Buddha seen this clearly. If he said everything to "benefit" others, then still there is an attachment to 'fruit', where fruit is anithya. How would he be attached to anithya??

He clearly sses this. It may look like he actedin compassion, no other sages acted in any religion before. But, it's not of compassion, compassion is also an attachment to a fruit of 'liberating/enlightening others', and that fruit is also anithya.

There is no 'other' here to help or liberate - to make benefit, as everything changing. Buddha, RIGHT ly UNDERSTANDS these all.