From the Foundation to the Apex

[sky]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

so why is it that you can't ignore the word insist and just believe everything is in constant flux and flexibility? IOW why do you have to be so insistent that we don't use the word insist?

Pointing something out is not insisting

Originally Posted by sky123

It depends entirely

not on "you" or the other as we all determine our own truth. so it would depend on "me" or "i"

it being truth. any statement can be determined to be true or false by the reader of it. but it is their truth only and not reflective of reality at all. we create our own self enclosed potentially delusional perception there. especially if we infer our truths and perceptions and reality is shared by another. interpretation is a labyrinth of delusion.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by JustBe

If you understand all things (including your own self) as a state of flux, then why would you see the speaker who insists any differently?

Well, you do know the Buddhist teaching about impermanence, and how meditation practices can also be used to try and create a permanent state of equanimity as a refuge from suffering.

You have done your mindfulness practice – no?

If you did – at which point did you realize it wasn’t the all and end all of meditational practices?

And if you did see it as not being the all and end all of practices, how could you then insist everyone should follow your train of thought about your mindfulness process – as if it was the whole truth?

Not saying mindfulness isn’t a good practice.

*

Originally Posted by Gem

From my perspective there is complete absence of any actual disagreement but the tendency still plays out in a semantic way over the use of a word.

yes true. the disagreement or conflict is invented in the mind of the reader or "interpreter" i'd say there are universal truths though but even there, the reader usually mucks them up

[sky]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

yes true. the disagreement or conflict is invented in the mind of the reader or "interpreter" i'd say there are universal truths though but even there, the reader usually mucks them up

It works both ways

[sentient]

Originally Posted by Gem

From my perspective there is complete absence of any actual disagreement but the tendency still plays out in a semantic way over the use of a word.

A good job for mindfulness that is.
To go beyond those, “advise – insist” words and observe.
To go beyond good and ill-will (of the perceived 'audience') and/or whether we are even ‘right’ or not.

With mindfulness meditation, we may gain back our ‘free and independent will’ (from our obsessive, compulsive patterns, disturbing emotions, whatnot), but what then … what do we do with this 'free and independent will'?

*

[sky]

Originally Posted by sentient

Well, you do know the Buddhist teaching about impermanence, and how meditation practices can also be used to try and create a permanent state of equanimity as a refuge from suffering.

You have done your mindfulness practice – no?

If you did – at which point did you realize it wasn’t the all and end all of meditational practices?

And if you did see it as not being the all and end all of practices, how could you then insist everyone should follow your train of thought about your mindfulness process – as if it was the whole truth?

Not saying mindfulness isn’t a good practice.

*

Good insightful Post Sentient....

"there is complete absence of any actual disagreement" one can be aware of that or not

Originally Posted by sky123

It works both ways

not at all. intent is wholly different and one is not imagining something that is not there, as it cannot be known due to a lack of shared understanding and perception. conflict of ideas can only exist in the mind which are then projected externally

[sky]

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

not at all. intent is wholly different and one is not imagining something that is not there, as it cannot be known due to a lack of shared understanding and perception

You can imagine anything you want , there or not there try it for yourself