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Old 17-07-2021, 08:31 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw987nx-Tq4
I don’t think the East Baltic sacrifices were anywhere as elaborate as the Swedish ones

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I seen that song in your link and I must say it was my favorite from that group.

Animal ritual/ceremonial sacrifices are becoming a thing of the past, Thankfully.
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Old 18-07-2021, 08:34 AM
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I know next to nothing about the Old Norse culture – but now as I have come across this lady who to me sounds credible and honest – I am impressed and really want to learn more.

Although the video is long (1 ½ hours) it is very good.

So, if anybody wants to know about the prehistoric roots of us all & Europe, starting from Neanderthals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9byMRiAVoU

More actual Old Norse videos on her channel.

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Old 18-07-2021, 09:09 PM
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Thank you – I did. It reminded me of this pole from Siberia (Buryatia?):
https://st2.depositphotos.com/402367...post-serge.jpg

But then, since Nootka peoples 2 halves, two moieties totemic system is made of Eagle and Raven clans, I did not know which one the bird on top was.

Since the Totem Poles are also said to represent the World Tree – our World Pole (Axis Mundi) meaning parallels that, as do Yakutian/Sakha (Turkic) Serges:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...5XOnsled7mhkNA

Serge: Besides representing the World Tree (& thus entry into Upper and Lower Worlds), the Serge also acts as a Horse hitching post.

All shamen were initiated by the Eagle/Thunderbird.
When “Totality awakes to itself” (Eagle), the ‘Energy Field’ of it (Eagle as Thunderbird) empowers/gifts the shaman to be (during this shamanic death experience) with a Horse, thus enabling the shaman to travel any place on that Axis Mundi (the White Horse has wings).

No horse sacrifice necessary. The shaman sacrificed him/herself by going through the 'shamanic death' and thus the Horse became the shaman’s ‘extra soul’.
But every time one ‘shamanizes’ it is like dying again … “The will of Totality – not mine” type of thing …

The Yakut totem moieties, I trust, were the Raven and the Wolf. (Besides Wolf also being the origin story of the Turkic tribes).

Not to say, there hadn’t been horse sacrifices, but the Horse as a worldly power symbol or the shaman’s power (of-no-power-paradox) animal is a totally different thing …. It can better be likened to the ‘inner central channel winds’ …

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I also looked into the Comanche history after the introduction of a horse …. Interesting parallels with Indo-Europeans …

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Old 20-07-2021, 05:45 PM
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^ Correction to the above … Yakut/Sakha totems are Crow and Wolf.

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Drumming
Love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKDmn6-d7Q

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Turkic drumming:
The drum, that is really going somewhere – without going anywhere … but a trance.
Could listen to it forever and a day …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtzCosNCtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNd7sgU60vQ

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Siberian Shamanic drumming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTXb-aGv7wY

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Old 22-07-2021, 09:32 PM
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The search for “Injun Enlightenment”:

Long ago ... my then “Celt” ex-boyfriend had come across a Castaneda’s book; - “The Journey to Ixtlan” …. and I remember how he cried wanting to be a “Spiritual Warrior” - just like Castaneda had been and fly to “Infinity”.

Castaneda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvzLKusEz8A

Now, coming from ‘Shamanic Cultures’, I did read that book and was most inspired, thought it had truth in it.

In Gotland (Sweden), where I lived at that time, I surrendered to “Infinity” = The “Eagle” (in our culture). What followed, was an “Awakening” (When Totality Awakes to Itself) revealing that there is only the “Absolute Reality”, “The Unborn” in all its manifested temporal forms.

But Castaneda seemed to think that one can ‘dodge’ the Eagle in order to cheat death through shamanic means.
Nobody, but nobody dodges the Eagle! … and here is where the Castaneda’s legacy becomes dangerous, a DUALISTIC warfare in his later books.
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I am already given to the power that rules my fate. And I cling to nothing, so I will have nothing to defend. I have no thoughts, so I will see. I fear nothing, so I will remember myself. Detached and at ease, I will dart past the Eagle to be free.
Castaneda

Since Castaneda’s writings were a catalyst for my own “awakening” so how can I not acknowledge and give thanks to them – but then again - for ‘Westerners’ – it became this dangerous dualistic psychic dimension “occult cult” poisonous cocktail thing - whatever it was.

Instead … and from that reference point (of not knowing the “Eagle”), Castaneda’s books took a very sinister turn.

But what I don’t understand, is why the ‘Indigenous community” in Americas totally dismissed all Castaneda’s writings as fraudulent …

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Old 23-07-2021, 12:05 AM
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An image from Gotland at that time – when you are no longer looking for the “Eagle” anymore, but the "Eagle Eye" (tipi smoke hole) is looking for you (the opening of the whatever it is people perhaps call The Crown Chakra) …..

https://ibb.co/6ZRGMzx

It manifests ... in both symbolic and physical forms ... yet, it goes beyond it ...
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Old 23-07-2021, 03:40 AM
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A Saami joik (about a bear hunter, if I remember right) people mistook as Amerind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UglUjiJifA

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Old 23-07-2021, 03:19 PM
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I got some catch upping to do here sentient.
Bear with me.It's a dance.
Love and Light Bro.LOL.
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Old 23-07-2021, 07:30 PM
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Bear with me.It's a dance.
No.
This is me driving myself up the (covid lockdown) walls and talking to them …
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Old 24-07-2021, 10:31 PM
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From my ‘pulpit’ talking to my walls …

In one of your earlier posts, ImthatIm, I was surprised you had not heard of Castaneda, since allegedly – it was him the “Grandfather of the New Age” movement who had started the ‘mill’.

How ‘natives’ earlier on had been viewed as savages, but now due to Castaneda’s books; - hippies imagined every native to be a “Man of Knowledge” and thus came seeking for “Ceremonies”, “Dances” or went to seek Peyote trips in Mexico or Ayahuasca visions in Peru.

When the whole thing went commercial, fake “Medicine men” or “Shamen” writing books, offering their workshops, teachings and fake ceremonies etc. etc. started popping up like mushrooms and were selling like hotcakes.

Of course there was a reaction to such cultural theft or exploitation, cultural appropriation, mis presentation …..

And of course I had read the Castaneda’s book through my own ‘cultural prism’, and was elated. All this shamanic stuff people had been silent about for 2-3 generations was coming out and my ex's deeply felt inner yearning had touched me.

But what had followed I had been blissfully, or naively ignorant about and a couple of decades later was absolutely horrified to come across Castaneda’s followers who had turned “Grandfather” (The Eagle/Thunderbird) into some kind of a ‘Sorcery’, a ‘Witchcraft’ twisted thing instead of understanding the genuine nondual Spirituality behind/beyond it.
But everybody views Reality through their own “cultural prisms” and this must have been it?

And the war between frauds and fraud-hunters was raging. A mention of coming from ‘shamanic culture’ was like stepping on a landmine.

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However, Castaneda apparently had met with Huichols whom I now researched via net.
The fantastic peyote vision paintings, their myth of being descended from wolves … the peyote pilgrimage etc. etc. How interesting! May their culture live on.

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