Indigenous Spirit of All colors

You can observe from the outside and decide or you can enter the circle and see where we go, then decide. Aho, the decision is always yours.
Bobby Badger 2016 - New Town, ND
https://soundcloud.com/user998431601...16-new-town-nd
Stuart Snake and Preston Dion in meeting
https://soundcloud.com/preston-dion/...ion-in-meeting

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

DNA.
Message received.
I still have 4 hurdles to overcome about getting tested.

Even if you don’t get tested, at least you can see what others get.
Here a Finnish reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-tLoCLSVow

I had my ancient-ancient connection to “Mesoamerican and Andean” examined in more detail - from most to least:

Maya Mexico
Aymara Bolivia
Eastern Greenland
Totonac Mexico
Pima Mexico
Amerind Colombia
Karitiana Brazil
Surui Brazil

You should watch some Swedish reactions, when racial superiority/colonialist stance gets to know they have inferior/Mong i.e. Finnish genes. & BOY did I feel it! when I lived there. That’s my beef with them. I SO know within why Aborigines commit suicides ….
Yet some Amerinds overlook this – I guess donations and putting stereotypical images of an Amerind leaders on the pedestal … speaks loudest.
Sorry about this complaint ImthatIm.
I don’t wish to discuss this any further either …

And how do Mesoamericans (Mexican injuns) and Innuits (“Siberian”) fare on the North Amerind hierarchy of “indigeousness” ? (this is just an open question I have in my mind).

In Oz I have never been treated like a second-class citizen.
But of course when I experience racism towards indigenous it just always opens up the old wound and shows the gulf between (Western and Indigenous 'programs' first experienced with my grandparents).

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Since you have shared an animal totem with me before, I will go ahead and PM you what may or may not be one of my animal totems.

Thank you for that.
Very interesting!
Perhaps we should discuss/clarify here what we personally or in general understand Totems, Spirit Messengers, Spirit Animals and Power Animals to mean. Eh?

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Originally Posted by sentient

Thank you for that.
Very interesting!
Perhaps we should discuss/clarify here what we personally or in general understand Totems, Spirit Messengers, Spirit Animals and Power Animals to mean. Eh?

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Sure.
Mainly in my vocabulary I just use Spirit helpers loosely.
I see all kinds of terms and this and that, but I am pretty much all for
the uses and applying the Spirit and their medicine for a useful purpose.

Maybe it is time I learn to sort through the terms though, and I am interested in your knowledge and perspective.
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*I remember the first vid. you linked up for me, it was a make your own Atlatl in the bush vid..Cool, LOL. Back on Luckies Deer Hunting thread.I loved it LOL*

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Originally Posted by sentient

I don’t wish to discuss this any further either …
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No problemo.
No worries.
No sweat.
I was thinking of listening to Reggae and dancing anyway.LOL


P.S. Oh wait I do have something to add from the Halluci Nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNi__fnadTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_5VAKdHMek

A nice little 4 part video series called (Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds)
It is well done and ego provoking.
I will only post the 1st part, you can find the other 3 parts on your own.
It covers a bit over 2 hrs. of time & space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXuTt7c3Jkg

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

Sure.
Mainly in my vocabulary I just use Spirit helpers loosely.
I see all kinds of terms and this and that, but I am pretty much all for
the uses and applying the Spirit and their medicine for a useful purpose.

Looks like I had already written at length about the subject as I understand it:
https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...80&postcount=9

https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...0&postcount=11

I am interested in your knowledge and perspective.
How does Amerind differ?

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[sentient]

Just off-topic note here.

Recently I mentioned my Irish ancestor or great something grandfather … who fled the Swedish army … and it is ages since I had been to GEDmatch:
https://www.dataminingdna.com/do-you...strated-guide/

So from idea to action:

Comparing Kit XXXXXXX (*Me*) and Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC)
Largest segment = 3.8 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 16.5cM (0.459 Pct)
5 shared segments found for this comparison. (5 chromosomes)

Comparing Kit ZZZZZZZ (*Parent*) and Kit F999800 (Rathlin1 Ireland 2.0ky cal BC)
Largest segment = 6.4 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 36.5cM (1.018 Pct)
10 shared segments found for this comparison.

Soooo, looks like my Irish great something grandfather probably came from Northern Ireland.

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Originally Posted by sentient

Soooo, looks like my Irish great something grandfather probably came from Northern Ireland.

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All I know of my Irish is they are not Catholic. They are Protest-ants.
They will march and protest pretty much anything.LOL

Spirit animals, is such a big topic I don't know if I can pull out any differences.
It is pretty much the same with different words.
So much of this is blurry and intertwined when talking of Spirit.
It seems Medicine men have a stricter Spirit animal knowledge and have to act
according to their visions and dreams.These practices leak down to us common folk.


I find the subject of 'suffering' bothersome.
In all Native practices I have been around we 'willingly' suffer to gain insights and knowledge into the Spirit realms.
Lets take Buddhism, where it is the goal to end suffering.These two paths maybe different but may lead to a similar outcome IDK.
Through a purification(sweat) lodge, we take a path through suffering which brings us into surrendering to the Spirits.
We have a common prayer strategy, which is to ask in general for Health,Help, and Happiness.
Though we can get into specifics as they arise. In these times of suffering we become willing to receive Help from
Spirit whether it be from Rock/Earth, Fire, Water, Air or W,N,E,S Sky, Earth of a positive nature.
Wakan Tanka which flows through everything can send or work through anything to bring about the help as long as we are surrendered.
In this way I have witnessed many Animal Spirit Helpers work medicine. Once it was a Sasquatch that was a major help.
I don't believe it was a totem or belonging to anyone's medicine bundle of anyone present, I do believe it was related to the ceremonial area
which revealed itself later.The area was the site of a Longhouse who's totem was of the Elk and the Sasquatch.This was a Power animal of an area and was only 3 foot tall but still shook the ground when she danced.
So we practice suffering to merge the realms of the physical and Spiritual through surrender and acceptance.
The Vision Quest is also a suffering practice. As is the Sundance.
Let's say to learn appreciation of Water. After a 4 day fast appreciation comes very naturally. You cannot learn this type of appreciation in a seminar.

I have heard most of this speaking and teaching and have a good feeling
and positive outlook that she is speaking about and around some of the topics we are discussing here on this thread.

If I had the intelligence and gift of communication it may sound similar to this lady.(If Only...LOL)
She speaks in a language I understand (Not Spanish but in general.)she makes me smile and chuckle in a good way.
So I thank her for speaking for me in this instance.
Do I agree with everything she says? IDK, I have not listened to it all
but I do want to share it. It is GooD....

The Unseen Realm in Indigenous Healing Systems 1 1/2 hrs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkaCc9yttM


Having heard most of this vid. i say it is SO,SO,SO,GGOOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!!!!
Love it.Or I should say Love her being.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

The Unseen Realm in Indigenous Healing Systems 1 1/2 hrs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkaCc9yttM

A lot of food for thought there, also because the talk touches so many different aspects.

(Mulling over these a bit).

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