The Vortex Atom: A Victorian Theory of Everything

[Aldous]

The theory that everything is made from the luminiferous or electromagnetic aether

The Vortex Atom: A Victorian Theory of Everything
https://od.lk/s/OV8xNDU3ODMzMDBf/kragh2002.pdf

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/gsjo...p=55828#p55828

http://sciliterature.50webs.com/AetherBooks.htm

[Miss Hepburn]

The first 2 links are esp great, guys.

[Aldous]

It looks like you have to be logged in to download pdfs from the forum.
Here's another link for
H. A. Lorentz and the Electromagnetic View of Nature By Russell McCormmach
https://od.lk/s/OV8xNjIyMzIwNDZf/McC...rentz-1970.PDF

[Aldous]

Dirac and the aether
https://od.lk/s/OV8xNjQ1Njk0MTZf/DiracsAether.pdf

https://od.lk/s/OV8xNjQ1Njk0MDZf/QMe...ther-Dirac.pdf

Planck's ether
https://od.lk/s/OV8xNjQ1Njk0MTlf/PlanckAether.pdf

Ken talks alit about this on his youtube channel. I'll go find a link to it brb

[Miss Hepburn]

I don't wanna download another pdf ...can you give 3 sentence teasers?
If it's a pdf - there's no copyright then! Yay! You can copy more!

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I don't wanna download another pdf ...can you give 3 sentence teasers?

Here's my teaser.

The Michelson–Morley experiment found no evidence of a luminiferous aether and Einstein's Special Relativity explained the mechanics of light, obviating the need for a medium (luminiferous aether) for light waves to travel through.

Since then other hypothesis have been posited for a luminiferous aether but none have been elevated to the level of theory. There is no independent and repeatable experiment/observation to support these hypothesis.

This is not to say it doesn't exist but the same can be said for any speculation lacking concrete observations supporting its premise and predictions.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Here's my teaser.
The Michelson–Morley experiment found no evidence of a luminiferous aether and Einstein's Special Relativity explained the mechanics of light, obviating the need for a medium (luminiferous aether) for light waves to travel through.
Since then other hypothesis have been posited for a luminiferous aether but none have been elevated to the level of theory. ...

Same goes for the atom that science holds on to so much.

And lithe waves moving through the ether ? Your blending the 2 theory's together
Atomism says that a light bulb shoot's light/photons out like a gun shooting billions of bullets constantly.

And a wave is an action not a thing kinda like you make waves in the pool with your arms and so if these photons that were being shot out of the light bulb were waving through something what is this thing that they're waving in what is that substance?
and this is where we get the "ether"
the light bulb is agitating a median of some form I.e the ether and by agitating it it creates waves much like arms waving in a pool creates waves in the water
it's more of an induction instead of an emission

Originally Posted by MAYA EL

the light bulb is agitating a median of some form I.e the ether and by agitating it it creates waves much like arms waving in a pool creates waves in the water
it's more of an induction instead of an emission

That's not what physics says. There is no theory of luminiferous aether however there is Special Relativity and it doesn't require a medium.

This is way above my pay grade and yours too and until a viable theory with predictions backed up by experiment and observation is put forward the luminiferous aether is no more plausible than fairy dust. Every attempt to test and measure it have failed. On the other hand not a single prediction of Special Relativity has been disproved. It hasn't failed a single test of its predictions yet whereas any hypothesis of a luminiferous aether when put to the test has failed.

That being the case I go with the theory that's batting 1.000 vs. all the hypothesis that are batting 0.000.

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

That's not what physics says. There is no theory of luminiferous aether however there is Special Relativity and it doesn't require a medium.

This is way above my pay grade and yours too and until a viable theory with predictions backed up by experiment and observation is put forward the luminiferous aether is no more plausible than fairy dust. Every attempt to test and measure it have failed....

Ummmm it appears we have a case of throwing the dart then drawing the circle. You do realize that in this existence you can come up with a theory as to why something happened and it make perfect sense and pan out and then you can even predict future events based off of this theory and them pan out exactly like you said

and yet that not be the fundamental reason why it happened. Because in this life there can be more than one explanation for why things happened

and science has done a really good job at training people into thinking that there is a explanation and that explanation is fundamentally the only real explanation when that is just a neurotic approach to reality

There are two main theories one is atomism the other is The ether even Nikola Tesla talks about The ether.

keep in mind you're so confident about a perspective that has never been proven. No one is laid eyes on an "atom" or even a "photon" and the majority of experiments done are stretched to say the least
Like the double slit experiment which is a far cry from what I would call a real test . But its all **** in the wind and we will just have to agree to disagree and that's totally fine.