The root of all Evil...

Hi. There is a difference between needing a certain amount of money to survive on.. and "wanting" money.... The latter can be suggested as "greed" which can then be determined as un-neccessary.... Getting ones priorities all wrong. Money is just little bits of paper.. it comes and goes, in and out of our lives , as a constant flow .. we are always provided for ... No matter how tough life gets.

[HITESH SHAH]

Money is the root of all evil - if we c general tendency we can see it as an observable phenomenon in current society.

But really money is useful medium of exchange and means to buy goods n services which may enrich our lives.

So what evil is associated with money. It is the excessive lure n over importance of money in life.Problem lies in the mind of person possessing n not money per se.

[meetjazz]

Originally Posted by Altair

I don't see how that creates a healthier society. Children living without any order and rapists and peadophiles getting free TV and Playstation. Not the ''different culture'' that develops a sustainable civilization, feels more like an end-of-Rome kind of era. No wonder many terrorists seek benefits in Europe. If they ever get caught they'll get a holiday in prison. We've gone overboard with the whole empathy industry.

But if money is the root of all evil, then what would you replace it with?

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I cannot agree with your statements in any way, but I will not comment on them as we both seems to have very different views understanding and views on many things. The way you said ''what would replace money''...it would seems that you can't imagine a world outside our current existing beliefs,...which you may not even consider as a construct of human culture, but as a natural, universal law, the way things really are,...and that the problems is just in this or that person or people, that we just need this or that law...or because we do not have this or that law...and then everything would be fine,...i don't believe in that. Otherwise, yes, money is control, is a control tool...in my belief, a truly civilized culture does not need laws ''don't steal, don't kill,...'' the same as it does not fight for ''human rights, womans rights, black rights..fresh water rights...'' you only fight for all this, if you do not have them in the first place. And as long we don't respect and value life itself as just that....unconditionally..so long people will fight for the right for their existence in the sense of ''gay rights, woman rights...''whatever.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by meetjazz

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I cannot agree with your statements in any way, but I will not comment on them as we both seems to have very different views understanding and views on many things. The way you said ''what would replace money''...it would seems that you can't imagine a world outside our current existing beliefs,...which you may not even consider as a construct of human culture, but as a natural, universal law, the way things really are,...and that the problems is just in this or that person or people, that we just need this or that law...or because we do not have this or that law...and then everything would be fine,...i don't believe in that. Otherwise, yes, money is control, is a control tool...in my belief, a truly civilized culture does not need laws ''don't steal, don't kill,...'' the same as it does not fight for ''human rights, womans rights, black rights..fresh water rights...'' you only fight for all this, if you do not have them in the first place. And as long we don't respect and value life itself as just that....unconditionally..so long people will fight for the right for their existence in the sense of ''gay rights, woman rights...''whatever.

So what would you have us use to pay for goods and services, if not money?

Your sofa for my five chickens? My television for 50 bricks?

Or a social credit system, where only ''good people'' get enough 'karma points' in order to buy stuff or receive discounts?
The CCP has developed this. Based on your social justice leanings I suppose it will be to your liking.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Elfin

Hi. There is a difference between needing a certain amount of money to survive on.. and "wanting" money.... The latter can be suggested as "greed" which can then be determined as un-neccessary.... Getting ones priorities all wrong. Money is just little bits of paper.. it comes and goes, in and out of our lives , as a constant flow .. we are always provided for ... No matter how tough life gets.

NICELY WRITTEN

[meetjazz]

Originally Posted by Altair

So what would you have us use to pay for goods and services, if not money?

Your sofa for my five chickens? My television for 50 bricks?

Or a social credit system, where only ''good people'' get enough 'karma points' in order to buy stuff or receive discounts?
The CCP has developed this. Based on your social justice leanings I suppose it will be to your liking.

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If you understand human relationships on the basis of quid pro quo exchange then it is difficult to imagine anything other than what we have now yes, or even a communist threat to freedom and progress, as you already hinted with CCP. As I mentioned, we obviously have different understandings and what I'm writing sounds obviously Chines to you...and it's okay...

[lemex]

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

Money is the root of all evil - if we c general tendency we can see it as an observable phenomenon in current society.

But really money is useful medium of exchange and means to buy goods n services which may enrich our lives.

So what evil is associated with money. It is the excessive lure n over importance of money in life.Problem lies in the mind of person possessing n not money per se.

Very good check. Agree, money is not the root of anything. We all know money isn't the root of all evil, I mean it isn't possessed. It's simply a useful exchange system. Any (ill) use of money would have to be on us and the projection of it as money is evil might imply to some getting rid of money gets rid of evil. The idea money is evil is an attachment that is false. Some people are talking about observation applying what they see to money.

This should be put in perspective. It isn't money that is evil but consciousness. Money is a thing. Is the conversation about money or the use of money. One of the things I have noticed about the idea presented about needing a certain amount to meet all of one's needs is many don't have an idea how much that is. How much is needed to do what you want. The average working person will earn about $3 million in their working life time. I wonder if the philosophy of and about life has changed to about money. Years ago wealth was built acquired over ones life time where today their is no patience.

[DjoBlow]

Hello good people of the Spiritual forums. Let me first apologize for my misquote...Timothy states that it is the "Love of money that is the root of all evil." My bad, I had been raised with the misquote that "Money is the root of all Evil."

I started this thread to make a statement about Evil itself...not to *******ize money in particular. Money is just a medium or token of exchange and in and of itself is fairly benign.

I want to inspire discussion about questions like "What is Evil?", "What is the nature of Evil?" and "What is the true root of Evil?" for a start. Know thy enemy as you know thy self. I would say at this point...the further removed we are from the Source of all being (consciously) the truly more fallen we become.

I am sorry for sparking a bit of tension in the forum. Evil is a term that means so many different things to different people of whatever culture. It is a highly charged word. What is clear though is that there is a great deal of confusion about just what Evil is and where it strikes root or takes hold. How can one overcome anything if one can not even agree upon just what the obstacle is?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a fluff bunny care bear kinda spiritualist, agreed...empathy can be well and truly overdone. But there is still the fundamental interconnectedness that gives rise to our compassion. For me that interconnectedness is our saving grace. Any how I will stop ranting rabidly for now.

[Heightend-Awareness]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

lemex is right - that's not a quote from the Bible. A common mistake, tho.
The rest of your post is right on the mark!!!

I have no scientific evidence for anything I say.

I love your disclaimer.

[Heightend-Awareness]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

lemex is right - that's not a quote from the Bible. A common mistake, tho.
The rest of your post is right on the mark!!!

I have no scientific evidence for anything I say.

I love your disclaimer.