What are the steps?

Originally Posted by Absolutetrip

Some of us are very evidential in what we believe and research it intently and diligently. These things I speak of just started happening to me after a death experience. I wanted to know why, how, and needed control and had a great desire to learn every aspect of what was going on. Since I have been taught by the best spiritual/ medium teachers that live upon the earth today. Many AFC tutors have taught me. I share my experience and knowledge I learned on to those I feel it could benefit. To call the experiences I have had and knowledge gained from those much more experienced than I and the possibilities I speak of nonsense is pretty closed minded. One of my teachers would say you fail to see the possibilities that lay beyond the end of your own nose. As all that can be imagined is possible...

Excerpts from The Journal of Religion and Psychical research:

If we try to visualize in a little more detail how materialization operates, I think we must look at the normal phenomenon of growth in Nature. If we ask such questions as: Why does a beech tree produce only beech leaves and not serrated leaves like the oak or a fan of leaves like the horse chestnut? Why does the flower grow to its particular pattern and shape and no others? Why does the repair of a wound follow the pattern of the original form and not create an anatomical monstrosity? We must visualize the existence of a force-field, a sort of three-dimensional pattern to which what we loosely call Matter must conform. The medium in which this idea-pattern is sustained is our old friend the psychic ether. Sense data clothe this idea pattern in the psychic ether as flesh clothes the skeleton, We know nothing, absolutely nothing, of the process. All we can say is that it seems possible—even probable—that in the materialization phenomena we have an activity of our finite individual minds which is of the same nature. If so, then the study of the conditions of this creative and artistic activity in ourselves—this so-called paranormal activity—should offer us basic clues to the nature of the physical world, and especially to the nature of living things and the laws of growth.

To sum up what Richet and Raynor Johnson have written about ectoplasm and physical mediumship, we see the following: (a) Does Ectoplasm exist? Answer by both: yes. (b) Does it exude from the body of the medium? Answer by both: yes. (c) Does it take various shapes, including that of human beings, but also that of objects such as clothes? Rods and levers? Answer by both: yes. (d) How does one integrate the fact of ectoplasm and what it does into a reasonable philosophy? Here the two authorities differ. Here Richet says that he simply does not know the answer. He admits just three possibilities of an answer:

1. The phenomena are due to the dead, whose consciousness still persists without material substratum. This is the spiritist theory, which seems to be the least likely of any.

2. There are angels, spirits, (daimones) who can act on matter, and intervene in human affairs.

3. The human intelligence (body and soul) is sufficiently powerful to produce both material manifestations (ectoplasm) and the subjective manifestations (cryptesthesia) that amaze us.

If I admit this third hypothesis as obviously superior to the others it is not that I believe it very strongly. Far otherwise, I am well aware how frail it is, how incredible, almost as incredible as the two former.



Ectoplasm is an elusive substance which emanates from the body of a medium; it exudes from all the natural orifices the mucous membrane and the skin...it comes in many different forms colors and conditions...it may be gaseous, liquid, or fibrous; it may be soft as velvet with a moist. sticky surface, or it may be rough and solid; it can assume different colors or be of a soft white grey, or black; it can be invisible, although it has weight and gives sensation on contact and can make an imprint on plastic substances; in materialization, it sometimes takes on gorgeous colors from the flowers and gowns of those in the room, and the manifesting entities are able to bring out a beautiful pattern on the ectoplasmic gauze which forms their robes. It is extremely sensitive to light and deteriorates when subjected to its rays. The spirit teachers tell us that the chemicals in the light rays tear down the ectoplasm, so that they are at this time experimenting to find a chemical to add to the ectoplasm that will enable it to withstand the devastating power of light.

This substance which is the basis of all manifestations of physical mediumship, is sometimes called ideoplasm, because it is sensitive to the thoughts and ideas of the sitters and the spirits. To be a physical medium the body must contain a superabundance of certain chemicals. One of our greatest scientists has made the statement that only one in 100,000 human bodies contains a sufficient amount of these chemicals to present a full-form materialization. Just what the necessary chemicals are we do not know.

A medium's spirit forces, one must understand, are those who train the medium, guide him or her and teach. An example of such is Sir Joseph Banks, Rev. Riley Post-Parrish's Teacher, to whom Peggy Barnes attributes many statements including the following:

...ectoplasm is an outer layer of protoplasm, an etherialized protoplasm, we might say. As we know, protoplasm is the basis of all plant and animal life. (It is safe to assume that physical mediumship requires either a superabundance of one of the chemicals contained in protoplasm or the addition of an unknown chemical built up by spirit power.)

Creation of aports and the steps to it, there is not a simple answer. A start is figuring out the possibilities of how. I do not know how. In the article it goes on to say during research they found physical mediums loose 5lbs or more during a session.

OK, let me take a look at what you've said....

quote: "Some of us are very evidential in what we believe and research it intently and diligently." evidential? What does that mean in such a context? I don't know what you believe but I know I don't have belief about spiritual matters - there's either evidence of what I write or there ain't and if there isn't I don't hold any belief as a substitute for evidence and/or teaching on the matter(s)....

quote: "To call the experiences I have had and knowledge gained from those much more experienced than I and the possibilities I speak of nonsense is pretty closed minded." If it's me you're referring to (you didn't quote so I'm having to guess here) I didn't say your experiences etc were nonsense.... As for a closed mind, well I try to keep it open but I studiously avoid others' garbage getting in there!

quote: "As all that can be imagined is possible..." Only in the Astral/etheric, not here in the physical....Your information about ectoplasm may be interesting to some but the topic subject was that of apports - not about ectoplasm. In terms of apports, ectoplasm isn't relevant as the objects are not novel and were not created from scratch but they are existing physical objects apported from one location in the physical dimension to another. (or vice versa for asports)

On this particular subject I suggested to the Scole Experimental Group some years ago that the apportation of an object from the etheric - something that doesn't exist in the physical - would be a great way of stumping scientists who enjoyed trying to debunk physical mediumship.

The conclusion was that such an object could not be apported from the etheric into the physical.

It's all-too-easy to muddle the production of paranormal phenomena via mediumship with the apportation of solid, physical objects around our physical dimension.

Originally Posted by Toolite

I know Mac.
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So let's get back to the thread subject - have we now nailed the situation concerning apports?

Humans don't instigate it even though a physical practitioner may be necessary for our discarnate friends to use as an intermediary in the process....

ATrip. You can share info with me anytime and I will greatly appreciate.
GTG

Originally Posted by mac

OK, let me take a look at what you've said....

quote: "Some of us are very evidential in what we believe and research it intently and diligently." evidential? What does that mean in such a context? I don't know what you believe but I know I don't have belief about spiritual matters - there's either evidence of what I write or there ain't and if there isn't I don't hold any belief as a substitute for evidence and/or teaching on the matter(s)....

quote: "To call the experiences I have had and knowledge gained from those much more experienced than I and the possibilities I speak of nonsense is pretty closed minded." If it's me you're referring to (you didn't quote so I'm having to guess here) I didn't say your experiences etc were nonsense.... As for a closed mind, well I try to keep it open but I studiously avoid others' garbage getting in there!

quote: "As all that can be imagined is possible..." Only in the Astral/etheric, not here in the physical....Your information about ectoplasm may be interesting to some but the topic subject was that of apports - not about ectoplasm. In terms of apports, ectoplasm isn't relevant as the objects are not novel and were not created from scratch but they are existing physical objects apported from one location in the physical dimension to another. (or vice versa for asports)

On this particular subject I suggested to the Scole Experimental Group some years ago that the apportation of an object from the etheric - something that doesn't exist in the physical - would be a great way of stumping scientists who enjoyed trying to debunk physical mediumship.

The conclusion was that such an object could not be apported from the etheric into the physical.

It's all-too-easy to muddle the production of paranormal phenomena via mediumship with the apportation of solid, physical objects around our physical dimension.

quote: "Some of us are very evidential in what we believe and research it intently and diligently." evidential? What does that mean in such a context?
Sorry my mistake, I meant to write " evidential in what we experience and then research it"

In my experience and those I trust to not blow smoke up my rear end who have witnessed physical phenomenon while sitting with physical mediums including myself all have witnessed aports form in a cloud of ectoplasm. That is why I was led to write what I have about ectoplasm as I see a connection. I could not be 100% sure that the aports I have witnessed came from somewhere else on earth.

I consider evidential mediumship or any evidence for that matter as more than 2 people experiencing what ever.

quote: "As all that can be imagined is possible..." Only in the Astral/etheric, not here in the physical....

I do not see it the way you do. I see matter and physicality as a whole as a illusion. Where the powerful divine fields that hold all we perceive as "real" together can be manipulated by a being, human or otherwise with a strong enough intention. The mere sounds or frequency of thought can do what we here on the physical plane would consider amazing things.
This for me is not a belief it is what I know. Figuring out the mechanics of it after something unbelievable has happened while on cruise control and then doing these things on purpose is a whole different thing.

I see mediumship as a key to the door to all possibilities.
Sorry to seem to get off topic. We each walk a different road to the same destination.

Peace Mac
Thank you Toolite take care.

Your very welcome.
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