Did Yahweh do us a favor by denying us eternal life?

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

A skill?

Who has lived long enough to show the skill of living forever?

Go you have the quotes saying that we are to gain immortality when ready?

Keep in mind that there were no such conditions given to A & E. Not even when Yahweh murdered them by neglect when he locked away what would have kept them alive.

That is as vile and satanic ad when J Ws deny a blood transfusion to their children and they die.

I look forwards to your quotes.

Regards
DL

Did you study or were you a Jehovah's Witness?

Most people do not mention Jehovah'a Witnesses, Latter Day Saints (Mormons), etc. unless they were associated with them.

Might have realized. there is also another person on this forum that share the same position as you do.

[jojo50]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

Did Yahweh do us a favor by denying us eternal life?

But Jehovah God/Yahweh, did not deny humans of eternal life. This was why he sent his Precious Son Jesus. Here's what Jesus said ,(John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved). Jehovah God plans were for Humans to live on Earth forever. See what Jesus said here ,(John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent), and here , (Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth).

And despite what MANY are taught, the Earth is going NO where ,(Eccles. 1:4 One generation goes, and another generation comes; but the earth remains forever). Jesus basically repeated what his Father had said ,(Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, And dwell in it forever). You said “I cannot imagine anyone living eternally and enjoying it.” maybe you feel this way, because of the way you see human's living today in satan's wicked system. But do you think that if Jehovah plan to have Righteous man live forever, his life would be boring? We would have so much to do, and so much to learn. That we couldn't possibly learn in this system.

Humans would be truly Happy ,(Rev. 21:3-5 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful”).

Here's more reasons for wanting that Gift of eternal Life. The old would revert back to a youthful age ,(Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth). The Blind, those who can't hear, or speak, will be able to ,(Isa. 35:5,6 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert).

No more sickness or sin ,(Isa. 33:24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick : the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity). NO wild animal attacks on humans or other animals ,(Isa.11:6-9 , The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them...).

No more starving people ,(Rev. 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat). No more homeless, everyone will have a place to live. And have food to eat ,(Isaiah 65:21,22 - And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands).

On top of all this, NO more imperfect men ruling over imperfect men. In other words, no more messed up worldly governments ,(Dan. 2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever).

For soon, there will be a Righteous New Government. King Jesus and his co-rulers ,(Revelation 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful”). (Rev. 5:10 And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth). this is why I'm trying hard to follow Jesus steps and worship Jehovah God, I want to be there! peace

[jojo50]

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

That is as vile and satanic ad when J Ws deny a blood transfusion to their children and they die.

you said “Who has lived long enough to show the skill of living forever?”, Jesus have! He was here before the Earth was created, (Pro. 8:22-30 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:...).

And he's back in Heaven ,(Rev. 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood). See verse ,(1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death).

You said “That is as vile and satanic ad when J Ws deny a blood transfusion to their children and they die.” there's Nothing “satanic” when it comes to obeying Jehovah God. MANY talk, but don't chose to either listen or do research. We won't take in blood, or anything from blood, because of what Jehovah God has said ,(Acts 15:28,29 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things. that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well).

Though blood transfusions saved some, MANY also died from bad blood. We will accept any other life saving methods, outside of blood, and there ARE MANY. Also do research, MANY Doctors and surgeons, stated that they found using NON blood methods worked. Concerning their Jws patients, and other! People really need to get the facts before they speak of what they think... they know. None of us want to lose our kids. BUT!.. even if we did, we know by obeying Jehovah God, we will get them back! peace

Originally Posted by white pegasus

Yaweh has provided the way for eternal life with him-he has not denied anyone. He provided a way for eternal life for all who believe in His Son Jesus Christ who shed his life on the cross for the remission of sin-for all those who believe Christ as our Lord and personal Savior.

He provides an immoral way that you are eager to take advantage of, because you call and evil genocidal god good.

You want Jesus to be as immoral as you and Yahweh are.

To punish the good instead of the evil is immoral.

You seem like the usual Christian moral coward but if you want to look at your immoral thinking, according to scriptures, step up and defend your immoral thinking.

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On Jesus dying for you.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.

You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Did you study or were you a Jehovah's Witness?

Most people do not mention Jehovah'a Witnesses, Latter Day Saints (Mormons), etc. unless they were associated with them.

Might have realized. there is also another person on this forum that share the same position as you do.

Thanks for the hypocritical deflection, Christian.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by jojo50

But Jehovah God/Yahweh, did not deny humans of eternal life. This was why he sent his Precious Son Jesus. Here's what Jesus said ,(John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved). Jehovah God plans were for Humans to live on Earth forever. See what Jesus said here ,(John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent), and here , (Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth).

And despite what MANY are taught, the Earth is going NO where ,(Eccles. 1:4 One generation goes, and another generation comes; but the earth remains forever). Jesus basically repeated what his Father had said ,(Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, And dwell in it forever). You said “I cannot imagine anyone living eternally and enjoying it.” maybe you feel this way, because of the way you see human's living today in satan's wicked system. But do you think that if Jehovah plan to have Righteous man live forever, his life would be boring? We would have so much to do, and so much to learn. That we couldn't possibly learn in this system.

Humans would be truly Happy ,(Rev. 21:3-5 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful”).

Here's more reasons for wanting that Gift of eternal Life. The old would revert back to a youthful age ,(Job 33:25 His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth). The Blind, those who can't hear, or speak, will be able to ,(Isa. 35:5,6 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert).

No more sickness or sin ,(Isa. 33:24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick : the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity). NO wild animal attacks on humans or other animals ,(Isa.11:6-9 , The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them...).

No more starving people ,(Rev. 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat). No more homeless, everyone will have a place to live. And have food to eat ,(Isaiah 65:21,22 - And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands).

On top of all this, NO more imperfect men ruling over imperfect men. In other words, no more messed up worldly governments ,(Dan. 2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever).

For soon, there will be a Righteous New Government. King Jesus and his co-rulers ,(Revelation 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful”). (Rev. 5:10 And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth). this is why I'm trying hard to follow Jesus steps and worship Jehovah God, I want to be there! peace

Read what I put just above and wonder why you think your self-serving quotes trump mine.

Then come back and discuss the immorality of your belief.

Regards
DL

[white pegasus]

ss-coward? I disagree that I am a coward-bc if I were a coward I would not have taken the risk to respond to your initial post.

Reading through your response to my response-you twist the words and come up with distorted thinking.

However, bc I am courageous, I choose not to respond anymore to your original post. Its an impossibility to have a non aggressive debate with you bc you turn it into a personal matter.

However, I will leave you with one thought to ponder which requires no response, and that thought is this

:what if you are wrong SS?"

no harm no foul peace

Originally Posted by Soul Seeker

Did Yahweh do us a favor by denying us eternal life?

It seems that the older I get, the less enjoyable and desirable the thought of living eternally becomes, even though I am quite pleased with how my life has evolved and how I will end this life.

Be it with a body here on earth, or as a spirit in some heaven, I cannot imagine anyone living eternally and enjoying it.

It would be like living watching the same T V program running over and over and over, since there is nothing new under the sun. All would be seen as allegories and or analogous of other situations.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

My thought are that you answered your question quite well. Libraries are full of different stories and subjects to explore.

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Originally Posted by white pegasus

ss-coward? I disagree that I am a coward-bc if I were a coward I would not have taken the risk to respond to your initial post.

Reading through your response to my response-you twist the words and come up with distorted thinking.

However, bc I am courageous, I choose not to respond anymore to your original post. Its an impossibility to have a non aggressive debate with you bc you turn it into a personal matter.

However, I will leave you with one thought to ponder which requires no response, and that thought is this

:what if you are wrong SS?"

no harm no foul peace

If I am wrong in thinking that an immoral genocidal prick is not a worthy god, I will gladly retain my superior moral stance and burn.

What if you are right?

You get to suck the tit of a satanic moral monster forever.

I would rather burn.

Tell me for the first time why you idol worship a genocidal and infanticidal god and love his homophobic and misogynous religion.

Moral people want to know.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by ketzer

My thought are that you answered your question quite well. Libraries are full of different stories and subjects to explore.

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Sure, for the first few million years, after that it is just the same old same old ad infinitum.

Yuk. Even porn will get boooooring.

Regards
DL