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Old 24-08-2021, 02:31 PM
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And the values of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and the values of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, and the values of all the prophets
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from Adam to the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him

Looking back, what seems strange to me now is not that people would wish to embody Jesus’ values, but that others would criticize them for it. What seems even stranger is that few Christians, in the modern day, match this profile. is that Muslims seemed to embody Jesus’ values better than Christians.

1. Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.

2. Jesus dressed modestly. If we close our eyes and form a mental picture, we see flowing robes, from wrists to ankles—much like the loose Arabian thobes and the Indio-Pakistani shalwar kameez, typical of the Muslims of those areas. What we don’t imagine is the revealing or seductive clothing so ubiquitous in Christian cultures.

3. Jesus’ mother covered her hair, and this practice was maintained among the Christian women of the Holy Land up to the middle of the twentieth century. Again, this is a practice maintained among Muslims as well as Orthodox Jews (of which Jesus was one), but not among modern day Christians.
Manners

1. Jesus focused upon salvation and eschewed finery. How many “righteous” Christians fit this “It’s not just on Sundays” profile? Now how many “five prayers a day, every day of the year” Muslims?

2. Jesus spoke with humility and kindness. He didn’t “showboat.” When we think of his speeches, we don’t imagine theatrics. He was a simple man known for quality and truth. How many preachers and how many evangelists follow this example?

3. Jesus taught his disciples to offer the greeting of “Peace” (Luke 10:5), and then set the example: “Peace be with you” (Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:21, John 20:26). Who continues this practice to this day, Christians or Muslims? “Peace be with you” is the meaning of the Muslim greeting, “Assalam alaikum.” Interestingly enough, we find this greeting in Judaism as well (Genesis 43:23, Numbers 6:26, Judges 6:23, I Samuel 1:17 and I Samuel 25:6).
Religious Practices

1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul taught it wasn’t necessary (Rom 4:11 and Gal 5:2). Muslims believe it is.

2. Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:. Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.

3. Jesus didn’t give or take usury, in compliance with the Old Testament prohibition (Exodus 22:25). Usury is forbidden in the Old Testament and the Quran, as it was forbidden in the religion of Jesus. The economies of most Christian countries, however, are structured upon usury.

4. Jesus didn’t fornicate, and abstained from extramarital contact with women. Now, this issue extends to the least physical contact with the opposite sex. With the exception of performing religious rituals and helping those in need, Jesus never even touched a woman other than his mother. Strictly practicing Orthodox Jews maintain this practice to this day in observance of Old Testament law. Likewise, practicing Muslims don’t even shake hands between the sexes. Can Christian “hug your neighbor” and “kiss the bride” congregations make the same claim?
Practices of Worship

1. Jesus purified himself with washing prior to prayer, as was the practice of the pious prophets who preceded him (see Exodus 40:31-32 in reference to Moses and Aaron), and as is the practice of Muslims.

2. Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Joshua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron). Who prays like that, Christians or Muslims?

3. Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:, and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.

4. Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).
Matters of Creed

1. Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.

2. Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?

One wonders what happened between the practices of the first generation of Jesus’ followers and the Christians of modern day. At the same time, we have to respect the fact that Muslims exemplify Jesus’ teachings more than Christians do. Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, and we would be amiss if we didn’t consider that final prophet to be Muhammad, and the final revelation to be that of Islam

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Old 24-08-2021, 04:25 PM
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1. Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.

How do you know that Jesus was bearded and not clean shaven like Pope Francis?

We can only assume that all men, not just those in Nazareth, back in those days were bearded. The reason is because they did not go to barbers. Also, the Gillette razor was first made in 1901.
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Old 24-08-2021, 06:44 PM
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The beard today is frowned upon in our modern society. Some Jews and Christians think that beards are “old-fashioned”. Although the prophets, peace be upon them had a full beard., it is truly amazing to hear such remarks from the People of the Book. They would have to find out about their own texts, because Jesus had a beard,
and secondly then
Could Jesus take an insulting appearance?
On the contrary, Jesus was applying the Law, . In this law we read:

Leviticus 19:27

"'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

In other words, Jesus teaches not to touch his beard. There was no Gillette Mac 3 back then to have a woman's skin.
Jesus said that he was there to follow the commandments of the Law and not to take a single iota out of it until the end of time according to the Gospel of Matthew in chapter 5. It is therefore appropriate to ask Christians a question: Why they shave their beards? Are they not in contradiction with Jesus? Regardless of Paul's teaching on the validity of the Law, here we are talking about the Word of Jesus and not about an innovator.
Besides, shaving the beard is referred to the pagans every time in the Bible.

On the other hand, the prophets had a full beard.

Aaron had a beard:

Psalm 133: 2

It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron’s beard,
down on the collar of his robe.

David had a beard:

1 Samuel 21

12 David took these words to heart and was very much afraid of Achish king of Gath. 13 So he pretended to be insane in their presence; and while he was in their hands he acted like a madman, making marks on the doors of the gate and letting saliva run down his beard.


The beard was even compulsory. The following example is significant in this sense. Indeed, Hanun cut off half the beards of David's servants. However, King David did not agree to see them until their beards grew back:

2 Samuel 10

4 So Hanun seized David’s envoys, shaved off half of each man’s beard, cut off their garments at the buttocks, and sent them away.

5 When David was told about this, he sent messengers to meet the men, for they were greatly humiliated. The king said, “Stay at Jericho till your beards have grown, and then come back.”


What more can I say after that? After this evidence will they stop attacking Muslims or looking at them as if they were from another planet ? It is time for them to realize that their abuses against Islam and Muslims come back to them every time
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Old 24-08-2021, 09:06 PM
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Jesus said that he was there to follow the commandments of the Law and not to take a single iota out of it until the end of time according to the Gospel of Matthew in chapter 5. It is therefore appropriate to ask Christians a question: Why they shave their beards? Are they not in contradiction with Jesus?

What is the significance of the beard? At any rate, your Levicticus quote on the beard is from the Torah, and an edict of Judaism which has nothing to do with Jesus' ministry.

The Law, that Jesus referred to in the Sermon on the Mount, is the message in his own teaching which was a departure from Judaism. This is why Jesus was crucified for heresy. The Jews viewed Jesus as a trouble-maker.

The Quranic scriptures have a lot of Jewish religious writings. This is my view. To you, as a Muslim, the Quran is a direct transmission from God. This is your belief and I respect that.

I think the beard is dirty. Food gets caught in it. It is the trend among American men to wear a beard like the Talibans. This is a fallout from fighting the Afghan War for the past 20 years.
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Old 25-08-2021, 01:55 PM
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The Lord of the Old Testament is the same as the Lord of the New Testament

Why be so surprised, in the new testament is not it The evil God of the old testament himself who appears in the person of Jesus through the incarnation. The old testament would therefore be the work of Jesus before its incarnation. You have to choose, my dear friend, either to set Jesus apart from any abomination of the Old Testament or to involve him and put total responsibility on him. Otherwise any dialogue in this direction as your usual will remain totally biased by malice. To tell us each time when all is well in the bible "it is Jesus" and when it is bad it is the God of the other biblical prophets of which Jesus is precisely the incarnation it is really a double language.

Jesus said that he was there to follow the commandments of the Law and not to take a single iota out of it until the end of time according to the Gospel of Matthew in chapter 5.

The Messiah, peace be upon him, was from the Children of Israel, and he was committed to the Shariah before him.

He was calling on the Jews and his followers among them to be keen on the Torah, and to act according to its orders, and it was found that Christ, the length of his stay and the duration of his call, took upon himself the explanation of the Israeli law and the statement of the spirit of the Mosaic legislation.

But the Jews did not want to hear his words and tried to crucify him, but God saved him

However, the Christians after Christ changed his religion in belief and law, so (Paul) abolished the law of Moses, and abolished the work with it. Rather, he considered that working with it does not save man, but rather prepares him for a curse.

That is why the Christians were cut off from the worship and laws found in the Old Testament. And they had different rituals called the New Testament, about which Christ, peace be upon him, did not know anything about it

Christians are not circumcised like Christ and do not pray like him and beard and others etc., as I explained previously

Christians today follow Paul, not Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him

Paul contradicts the teachings of Christ. Paul is the first to distort the religion of the Christians

see here

لماذا ناقض بولس التلاميذ في قوانين الطعام والشريعة؟

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK05DixSlOo

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It is naïve to say that Islam is blend of second-hand information about Judaism and Christianity with an inkling of Arab elements in it. It is absurd to suggest that the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), was cognizant of the two religious systems.

The concept of prophethood, the memory of Ibraaheem (Abraham) may Allaah exalt his mention as a prophet and founder of the Ka`bah, which the Arabs universally cherished, as well as the rites of Hajj (pilgrimage to the Ka’bah) instituted by Ibraaheem may Allaah exalt his mention were unquestionably from before the time of Jews and Christians. Pre-Islamic Arabs, independent of any Jewish or Christian influence, knew the concept of Allaah as the supreme God. The teachings of Ibraaheem may Allaah exalt his mention found haven in Arabia long before the arrival of Judaism or Christianity and the Arabs were already acquainted with the word ‘Haneef’ as the worshipper of One God.


The Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), accused the contemporary Arabs, Jews and Christians of having deviated from the original teachings of their prophets and of having degenerated into polytheism. He also rejected what they claimed to be the teachings of their scriptures. So he cannot be misconstrued as having conceived the idea of monotheism from the Judeo-Christian influence.
The Quran does not maintain that it is teaching a new religion. Instead it upholds and revives the original teachings God has given through all Prophets of all nations. It claims that its teachings are the same as that of Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosaa (Moses) and ‘Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt their mention, and speaks about all of them in glowing terms. Since every Orientalist agrees on the fact that Prophet Muhammad, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ), has not read any of the scriptures, therefore, his source of knowledge must be something else.

The rejection of Biblical teachings about the son or father of god was rejected even in the Makkan Soorahs (chapters of the Quran) long before the Prophet’s migration to Al-Madeenah. Hence, it is not correct to say that these renunciations came about, at the wake of the separation from the Jews and Christians in Al-Madeenah.
It was impossible to get even a glimpse of monotheism by observing Judaism and Christianity in those days. The practices of these two religious groups were steeped in the most debasing corruption and superstitions, which are vastly removed from monotheism.

The various reform movements in Christianity, particularly the Cluniac Movement, the Iconoclastic Movement and the Reformation started by Martin Luther bear testimony to the depth of degradation into which the Christians and Christianity of the day had descended. In a way, all these reform movements and the subsequent emphasis on monotheism, in spite of an adherence to the doctrines of Trinity and divinity of Christ are largely, results of the uncompromising monotheism enunciated and propagated by Islam. In other words, it was Islam that influenced the revival movements in Christianity and not the other way around


Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was illiterate
He does not know how to read and does not know how to write
Therefore, he did not quote anything from any civilization

The Jews tried to kill the Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet Jesus and other prophets, peace be upon them, just to spread the religion of God, which acknowledges the oneness of God
The Jews did not tolerate any prophet who violated their corrupt law

the Prophet Muhammad Peace be Upon Him,
He did not agree with the Jews and the Christians in their beliefs and actions that are contrary to the law of God

the Bible
It was later translated into many languages, but it was only a thousand years after the advent of the Prophet that it was adapted into Arabic. So even supposing that he knew how to read and write his native language, we could not validly demand of him that he be bilingual or polyglot, that he handle Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Syriac, the Coptic or the Gothic and let him hide it with such great dexterity from the eyes of the whole world.

the Quran
The only possible answer is that God is inspired.to the Prophet Muhammad Peace be Upon Him

. WAS THE QUR'AN COPIED FROM THE BIBLE? - DR ZAKIR NAIK

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هل أقتبس القران من الكتاب المقدس ؟ احمد ديدات يصعق شروش YouTube
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Old 25-08-2021, 02:17 PM
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That is why the Christians were cut off from the worship and laws found in the Old Testament.
This is not true. The Ten Commandments received by Moses form the moral code of all Christians today.
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somoo is correct.

Christians today, for the most part, reject the Old Testament along with the Ten Commandments.
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Old 25-08-2021, 05:45 PM
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somoo is correct.

Christians today, for the most part, reject the Old Testament along with the Ten Commandments.

This is correct

Confirmation of your words

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رد رائع على سائلة كاثوليكية للشيخ يوسف استس

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJHM2UCoEI

قصة إسلام الداعية الاسترالي موسى سرنتونيو - مترجم

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Christians, for the most part, rejected the God of Abraham and elevated the prophet Jesus to God status. That was a major no-no.
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Old 25-08-2021, 08:26 PM
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Since there were so many sects in early Christianity, each with different beliefs about Jesus and with their own versions of the Bible, which one can we say was following the true teachings of Jesus?

It doesn’t make sense that God sends countless Prophets like Noah, Abraham and Moses to tell people to believe in one God, and then suddenly sends a radically different message of the Trinity which contradicts his previous Prophets teachings. It is clear that the sect of Christianity who believed Jesus to be a human Prophet and nothing more, were following the true teachings of Jesus. This is because their concept of God is the same as that which was taught by the Prophets in the Old Testament.

Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine. The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:

“Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)[4]


Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Can't Be God
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