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Old 13-12-2021, 03:57 PM
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Well! This practice is much needed.
I have not heard the term revision used. To change, to re-examine,
imagine it differently, thus, re-framing it into the subconsciousness, changing the memory,
making new paths in the brain--are more familiar terms to me - commonly used in Therapy.
(I have been surrounded by clinical therapists for maybe 4+ decades...can't have seem to go anywhere
where someone isn't a therapist in the group, lol!)
This is a great post.
Will anyone here apply or practice what you're saying? Who knows.
But, I will say it works!!

And, Yay, Neville!
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Old 13-12-2021, 05:22 PM
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I doubt that “revision” is any kind of “official” term for it … but I’ve referred to “revision” or “redesign” enough times that I just freely use the term. The key is … that one is actually going to DO something about the pattern / habit and they are not going to just go in and “look”at it … such as visiting or examining. They are going to take that step … and then … DO something with it … revise it … re-sculpture it … however anyone wishes to term it.

It is an ancient, foundational technique … and many make a practice of revising something everyday. Once one becomes familiar with it … it need only take minutes to complete.

As with any art … or even riding a bicycle … it takes a bit to learn it and get good at it. This … is when the student begins to declare just how sincere they are … in uncovering and learning greater Truth … about Self … and about Life.

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Old 20-12-2021, 02:25 PM
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Considerations 111 …

The Prime Directive …

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The “Prime Directive … of Divine Spirit is positive or beneficial growth … expansion. The natural progression of anything … given time … is … development / growth / expansion / learning … however you wish to term this … towards the betterment of its origin.

Divine Spirit expands to develop into a wider expression of IT-self … a greater expression of LIFE in the Pure God Worlds … and a greater expression of Truth. There are fundamental laws and expressions that all of LIFE is based on … generic … foundational … fundamental … perhaps the “middle path” on everything.

Divine Spirit is neither “for or against” … anything. Divine Spirit is the neutral building blocks of what we will later interpret as being of a dual nature when Divine Spirit is brought into the Lower Psychic Worlds where the negative element is present and thus gives rise to so-called “duality” … or the Law of Opposites.

In other words … Divine Spirit is neither right or wrong … good or bad … male or female … detrimental or beneficial … etc. Divine Spirit is the “neuter” or the “space” between any dichotomy would claim to exist at the lower levels … the Lower Psychic Worlds. Above these worlds … in the Pure God Worlds … there is no negative element … there is no “opposite” of anything. All is an abstract … an “unapplied” expression … an “un-manifested” absolute. There is a lot more to Divine Spirit than this … but this is a great beginning to the understanding of Greater Life at the upper levels.

As an example … what would the facet or attribute of “strength” be … if it were not applied to anything. It would just be the understanding and application of strength … without specific application. This might be difficult to understand but this is because mind demands categorization … definition … analysis. Mind would say … ”Strength … how ?” … or “In what manner ?”

But Divine Spirit would know “strength” as unapplied … un-manifested into any specific … and would express it as such in the Pure God Worlds. It might be understood as the “absolute” of strength … and if “strength” can be expressed in the Lower Psychic Worlds as strength and courage in this situation or that scenario … then the “building block” or “generic cause” of this has to come from a higher level … which would be the abstract or absolute expression of strength itself … unapplied … until *you* apply it at a specific level.

The Middle Path is a great application of this entire approach. Mind … in the Lower Psychic Worlds … considers the Middle Path to be a lesser understanding because mind wishes to define and categorize everything so that it ( mind ) can better understand … mentally. Mind wants a “this-or-that” on everything. This is the “design” of mind … and is not it’s fault … so to speak. You might as well get upset with a hammer because it pounds nails. That’s what it does.

So it is with mind.

Mind will trap the individual into this approach of definition and analysis. This is much of the nature of the path in the Lower Psychic Worlds. The mind tends to believe that if one cannot make these “distinctions” or “analytical definitions” … then that individual is weak or ignorant.

In the very beginning … as one begins to wade through all the opposites (dualities) of these Lower Psychic Worlds … weakness or ignorance might be somewhat true … but with learned discernment … one decides what stance will apply in the most situations … and holds to that … and eventually resolves these into the middle expression of this same attribute whenever needed to contend with experiences in the Lower Psychic Worlds.

Until this latter step … mind will cartwheel over most anything. It is its recreation … its entertainment … its quest and promotion of power over. Again … this is natural because it is the nature of its design.

Knowing what the “middle stance” is of any of the ethical absolutes … strength / courage / tolerance / patience / forgiveness / etc … allows the individual to “carry” these around within while not seeing from this attribute until a situation or experience calls for it. One “knows” what strength is … and when a personal experience finds the “need” to contend with that experience by using strength … the individual then applies it. This is not through some long laborious process … but can be applied after momentary discernment that it is indeed necessary or “wise” to apply “strength” here … and then the individual draws up the attribute of strength and applies it.

The most advantageous use of this is when someone slips … the individual reacts badly in some situation. I’ve seen authentic Masters react with anger … but moments later they resolve it all and are back on the Middle Path again. They do *not* carry the anger around within to grow and to fester.

Growth is not meant to turn one into an unfeeling zombie. Even detachment allows for the seeing of both sides of the pole … so to speak. One can see the advantages and the disadvantages of the experience or scenario … by momentarily staying and perceiving from the middle … and then make a knowing and discerning choice on what to do and how to do it.

By using last weeks post on revision … one can see how this can be developed … and lived.

Once one begins to make the determinations … an individual can understand and appreciate where another person or aspect of Life is … by what they display … and they are then in the position of being able to assist or to teach … *IF* the other individual is open and ready for it. If you make a suggestion to this other person and all they do is counter it … then they do not want to learn … and its best to just leave them alone. LIFE will be their teacher.

When someone is willing to *listen* … and to perhaps even *consider* what you offer to another … then LIFE may bring more and more assistance into their lives. The prime attribute of “humility” is often just a willingness to actually … listen … to keep the instant counteraction within from from taking hold … and be humble enough to listen … to actually consider a new approach.

In today’s world it is easy to see there is less and less of a tendency to listen to much of anything. Mind is fabulous at bringing up a excuse or a counter to anything. It is *not* an easy tendency to over-ride … and is another area or way to use … revision.

Growth … moves forward. Even the most ignorant is often willing to learn. The beauty of “knowing nothing” leaves much area for expansion. The hardened intellectual … who is “expert” in all things mental of and within the Lower Psychic Worlds … will quickly dismiss learning and hold to their stance as being “right” … and are willing to “prove” it via figures of authority and status … to promote control over. In the Lower Psychic Worlds … might makes right … and knowledge ( data / information ) is power.

These philosophies and schools of intellectual power are as old as life in these Lower Psychic Worlds. One will stay within them for as long as they find fulfillment there. It is the way of the Lower Psychic Worlds schoolroom.

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Old 27-12-2021, 02:23 PM
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Considerations 112 …

The Solution of Two Worlds …

The settling of many of the squabbles found in the Lower Psychic Worlds can be resolved in the final acceptance and knowing that two almost opposite worlds of Existence exist. This structure is carried on all the way to the design of the atom … the basic building block of existence itself.

The *very* basic structure of the atom consists of the core or nucleus … comprised of both protons and neutrons … with the neutrons being without charge and the protons holding a positive charge. The negative electrons orbit around the core … bringing balance to the entire structure of the atom itself.

So it is with the Pure God Worlds and the orbiting Lower Psychic Worlds. The Core Creator God has no “positive / negative charge” in and of IT-self but throws off a positive structure to the Pure God Worlds. The formation of the Lower Psychic Worlds via the negative-based structure completes the design … “orbiting” somewhat around the Core or the Pure God Worlds.

Living in the Lower Psychic Worlds leads the individual into an ignorance of the Core around which it itself ( the worlds of the Lower Psychic Worlds ) exists. These Lower Psychic Worlds are manifested and governed by the Universal Mind … making the mind itself the “god” of these worlds. There is no condemnation here. This is the intentional design and should be accepted as such. Mind … in the Lower Psychic Worlds … gives the power and the structure to all we see … eventually coupled with the emotions or the Astral Worlds … to give emotional value to the thought process in the “outer rings” of existence … the Astral Plane itself and the Physical Plane.

It helps to maintain the awareness that these planes … or dimensions … are in a sense … “places” … but they are made so because they are simply differing state of consciousness. A physical body is clearly different than an astral emotion … a mental thought is clearly different from both … but all come together and work with each other to the degree of where the viewpoint or position is established.

Within the physical body … all of these state of consciousness reside and revolve within or around the individual … the “core” of this aspect being Soul Itself. Soul carries or is protected by the “sheaths” or “coverings” of the mental, emotional, and physical bodies within the Lower Psychic Worlds because of the fineness or coarseness of the structures of each … just as air differs from water which differs from soil … etc.

Since we individually do not know this … we perceive the physical body as being the one and only vehicle … with the emotions and the mind being contained within it. This is *not* the case … but that is a great part of the discovery uncovered on walking the path back to the “true God” or the Core … finding out that Soul Itself is the actual “individual” … a stand-alone existence that needs the elements or aspects or facets of the Lower Psychic Worlds bodies to exists while engaged in incarnations here … for the purposes of education.

So all of the disputes and quibblings and opinions and theories tossed around by the mind in the Lower Psychic Worlds are exactly what the Lower Psychic Worlds were designed to foster. There is absolutely nothing *wrong* with all of this. The mind analyzes / defines / categorizes / compares most everything it encounters. Knowing which is the “better” … or is the most “advantageous” … leads to power over that which is the detrimental … all governed by the perspective of each individual. Authority is earned and status gained. Knowledge … is indeed power … in the Lower Psychic Worlds. It is a factor of control … within which we each live … within ourselves … and amongst all others.

This all goes on for more lifetimes / incarnations than most would want to believe. We’re talking … millions … and there is no escape until a certain level of growth and awareness has been learned … individually … each at their own pace and time.

To begin to draw a distinction between mind and Soul Itself is a preliminary step. To then learn to perceive from Soul Itself … even for a moment or two … is the start of discovering the validity of Soul Itself … of the nature, structure, and purpose of the Pure God Worlds … and of the True Core Creator God that gives rise to it all. Self-Realization of Soul Itself is the beginning step. This is *not* a mental thought but a level of awareness. To declare that “I am self-realized as Soul” does not bring about self-realization in and of itself. Mind … can easily and happily … make such a declaration as it ( mind ) designs its own awareness and beliefs.

The “safeguards” and “validations” of actually perceiving and then establishing oneself on or within the Pure God Worlds are ironclad. One does not “get there” without the learning of certain and various levels of awareness that cannot be confirmed without the fulfillment of learning certain attributes and experiencing specific eventualities. The “safeguards” mentioned above force fulfillment of these experiences. Any Core Creator God and IT’s hierarchy or “organization” would certainly have the level of awareness to hold the various levels of experience valid only for those that have fulfilled the requisites to understand … and know … them.

The fact that we humans love to find side-steps and shortcuts … means little to those that have designed the system.

So the various theories and opinions within the Lower Psychic Worlds hold true within those worlds. Duality exists … dreams exist … illusions exist … opposites exist … love hate, male, female all exist … and much, *much* more … all valid and “real” within these worlds. To declare that they do … or do not … is just the play of the mind within the educational system of these worlds.

To step into and then become established within the Pure God Worlds as Soul Itself does not dismiss the validity of the Lower Psychic Worlds. While incarnated in a Lower Psychic Worlds body … one must learn to live within the structure of these worlds. One can learn … and does learn … to rise above these Lower Psychic Worlds at least daily … and often much more frequently … which offers an overview of all below and fosters service to the Lower Psychic Worlds existence and to LIFE IT-self. Faith … devotion … and responsibility … weave it all together. Mind can … and does dispute any and all of these … but in the end … these learned facets greatly assist in establishing oneself within the Pure God Worlds and on the 5th Plane of Soul Itself.

Learning to live within these two levels of awareness is not as difficult as it may seem. Back in the days when most everyone earned a living by traveling to a workplace … the state of consciousness at the workplace was … and is … distinctly different than that when home by oneself or with mates or family. Both these may be different when one is in the company of childhood friends and exceptionally close or support groups. The list can go on. Living from a level of awareness from the Pure God Worlds verses the Lower Psychic Worlds is something most everyone eventually must contend with.

Why is this even mentioned? It is a very high practice in discipline and detachment. You learn to live in this world and yet not be a part of it. Plus … it is *very* unwise to use true spiritual methods to achieve Lower Psychic Worlds goals … and vice versa.

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Old 03-01-2022, 02:24 PM
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Considerations 113 …

Independent Thought …

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Independent thought in the Lower Psychic Worlds is an exceptionally difficult task. The cards are stacked against you … the design is against you. This is intentional. This eventually nudges one beyond the entire structure of the mind.

As stated in other posts … the Lower Psychic Worlds are designed with the negative element to provide for the duality of experience. Without this polarity … there would be no variation … there would be no good / bad … right / wrong … beneficial / detrimental.

Duality / non-duality has nothing to do with “immersion” or “unification” into an experience. That is a separate state of consciousness that would fall under depth of awareness. Duality … is simply … polarity … or the Law of Opposites.

When the Lower Psychic Worlds were designed and constructed … the entire real was placed under the Universal Mind … starting with the Etheric realm … immediately under the True Home of Soul … the 5th Plane … Atma Lok … and the Etheric realm has to do with symbols. Yes … symbols can be singular words … but also images of form … such as crosses / triangles / pentagrams / the tree of life / yin-yang / the lotus / the Buddha / the dream catcher / the mandala / the dharma wheel / the symbol for OM / the ankh … the list is quite endless.

A step lower into the mental worlds of thought … we add our interpretations of the symbols … designing our own definitions by what we are told and revising according to our personal experience. This is where we string the words together to come up with our descriptions / definitions / etc.

The mental worlds and the Universal Mind have been “with us” since the creation of these worlds … long before written history … you can construct your own understanding of this period of time … so to speak … beyond eons. The other dimensions below the mental worlds add to the thought streams contained within and available within the Universal Mind.

Thoughts from anywhere within these realms gather according to like attracts like … in incredible layers and levels of similarity and explicitness. These have been gathering and streaming throughout the Lower Psychic Worlds forever … beginning with the very basic and elementary and developing into the most complex and complete … revised … twisted … manipulated … deepened … endlessly. These streams would involve the most elementary to the most elaborate and complex … from the most “negative” to the wonderfully “positive” and all levels and degrees in between.

These thought streams or currents fill all around us. There is nowhere we can escape them. They are like the air … invisible … yet volatile. We tune them in or out according to our own level of consciousness and belief systems. Rogue thought streams may drift through ones personal consciousness most any time one opens up to them … and whether we focus on and accept them as part of our system of viewpoints is a personal choice.

Since the Lower Psychic Worlds are made with the negative element … it is quite distinct from the Pure God Worlds … which has no negative element … since these realms are an “un-manifested” or “non - specific” area of Existence and needs no polarity to exist … save that this area is the extreme positive pole … for lack of a better and more readily acceptable definition. The Lower Psychic Worlds however are contained within its own shell or encasement or sheath … a container of sorts that envelopes the realms of the Lower Psychic Worlds.

The accepted and popular thought streams are all contained in this manner … and yes … even the “unpopular” thought currents … all according to ones definition of what these would be. We are always walking within these clouds of thoughts and accept / focus on them … and live from / within them … according to our endorsement of them. We can be “for” or “against” them … our focus is the same. “Space” is filled with these streams … as are the currents in the other dimensions … and our overall attitude towards any specific perception helps to bring in and focus ourselves in the current that is most like what we wish to express or think.

If you ponder this … there is little to nothing that someone hasn’t thought … somewhere in the past … towards most anything you can imagine … any situation you can devise … and the another will add to this thought stream … and then another … and on and on until there is a tangible current that one can simply “walk into” by way of focus attention and attitude.

My point being … we all think along the lines of the thoughts that have streamed forth forever … from wherever … concerning whatever. We cannot simply move beyond these thought streams even though the mind can design a belief system where one can presume that they are “beyond mind” or “beyond popular thought.” A handy rule-of-thumb … if what you think and believe is popular … to whatever level … you can assume you are walking within these streams … and … this is by design. There is *nothing* wrong with this. This is just … the playing field.

It is generally impossible to “think for yourself” and … in a recent post I have talked about living in two world … following the general rules of society while walking these worlds is a necessity no matter what level of consciousness one has attained.

But when one has had enough of the habitual limitations of using mind to understand LIFE … one eventually decides to move on … and beyond. This is NOT an easy task … nor is it a popular one. For many reasons it is often unwise to declare a true position beyond the Lower Psychic Worlds. More than a few have been put to death for just such a pronouncement. Threats of the established ways and beliefs rule supreme.

And yet … when one *has* had enough … moving beyond the mental and Lower Psychic Worlds is possible … with the right training … leading to the freedom and the liberty of finally discovering what is “actual truth” beyond the Lower Psychic Worlds. The most difficult part of this step is … there are demanded prerequisites … steps and levels of consciousness that are required before the proverbial “teacher” appears … to take the steps so often declared but so rarely experienced. There are deterrents involved that will keep one from “sneaking in” … trying to side-step the necessary requirements or qualifications.

( Please remember … I didn’t design this. It is so developed because it “works.” No need to kill the messenger. )

As stated before … moving beyond these Lower Psychic Worlds require a complete change of perspective an awareness. Working by way of Divine Spirit is completely different than working by way of mind … Universal or otherwise.

But given eternity … it is a step all will take … eventually … and only then will one experience and know what it was alla bout all along.

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Old 04-01-2022, 02:46 PM
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It is a very high practice in discipline and detachment. You learn to live in this world and yet not be a part of it. Plus … it is *very* unwise to use true spiritual methods to achieve Lower Psychic Worlds goals … and vice versa.

This is a huge statement and seems very very true and complex.
It seems it would take a vary long time to sort and absorb this knowledge and how to apply it.
I would say that there are many lessons to learn in separating that knowledge and application of that knowledge for purposes and uses in both worlds.
I can see many lessons yet to come for myself in this area.
Thanks for bringing it up.
I can think of one such test I failed in, not to long ago, though it was not a failure it was a great learning in the failure
for future application in future tests.
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Old 10-01-2022, 02:14 PM
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Considerations 114 …

Cornerstones, Impressions, and Beliefs … Oh My …

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There is always a lot of discussion about beliefs on the board. Always will be. Many wish to treat beliefs similar to learning to stop mental thought. These people wish to somehow dispense, eradicate, dismiss, or reject … beliefs.

Can’t be done.

And so … one is left to not only develop ones own beliefs … but to then determine their benefit or detriment. All beliefs … like all mental thought … are not detrimental. It is up to you to determine which beliefs you wish to develop and live … or to let go.

How to do that?

One develops their own personal and individual technique … but … let’s use an example. No mater the height or number of floors of a skyscraper building … it is always begun with the foundation … and in that … lies the cornerstone … upon which all else depends. After laying the cornerstone and foundation … whatever is added is fluff … bells and whistles … additional design coming from the architect. Multiple offices, apartments, condos, penthouses, corridors, elevators, hallways, etc. All the rest on the cornerstone. Each level is built upon the other … and could not exist without that which supports it … right back to its seeming beginning.

One can approach many beliefs this way … to determine its value or worth. Each belief has a higher foundation that gave rise to it … that led to it … even if it is misinterpreted by someone’s impression of what such-and-such meant … and misinterpretation continues as it is passed from mouth to mouth.

If your personal belief resides on the top floor … you are way off base from the initial intent. Much of the Path is the uncovering of what these - “initial intents” or “cornerstone / foundational fundamentals” are … realizing how basic the initial premise is … what it became by various interpretations of it … for whatever reason … and now … where are you personally in all of this … one at a time … back to the Core.

This can be as multi-dimensional as one wishes to make it … but an astounding discovery is that the “structure” to the Pure God Worlds is such that they are “un-manifested” … “un-structured” … “non-specific” … or perhaps … the fundamental series of cornerstones which as yet are unapplied … have no “building or development” upon them … and so … they are truly an absolute … without exacting definition. This isn’t as mysterious or complicated as one might think. What is courage … undefined? What is forgiveness … undefined? What is patience or tolerance … undefined?

Bottom line … uncover the “first cause” of what controls your life or feeds your limitations … what spawns it … what gives it birth / life … and continue in this all the way to the Prime First Cause … which would be Core Creator God … eventually realizing and discovering that there are many hierarchal “gods” along the way.

But to sort through ones beliefs and foundational viewpoints and determine how widely and deeply they are of value or not … is again … part of the Path.

Mind loves deductive reasoning. Take the facts … draw a conclusion … right down to 2+2=4. C follows B follows A.

These are accepted facts and interpretations. Many of the acts that so spiritual greats throughout history have been interpreted this way. So-and-so did or said this … so … He must have said or done it because of this.

Mind somewhat breaks down … or has more difficulty with … inductive reasoning. This is like saying … “4 = ??” The mind can cartwheel over giving opinions on sometime like this … and never know the original intent or meaning. Induction involves probability … not easily seen / widely accepted facts. One takes a particular fact or belief … and ponders the general foundation as a probability. The only way to find out if it is true or not … is to test it … to the degree that it is important to you.

There is somewhat of a development of inductive reasoning called reasoning by abduction.. This fine-tunes it all even further. This is like a detective finding the criminal by gathering all the evidence at the crime scene … and there is no doubt about it … to work through ones beliefs and eventually moving beyond the mental worlds in the Lower Psychic Worlds … one becomes a highly developed and intuitive sleuth. Thee is undercover detective work done in all of this. You have to uncover the basics and the probabilities and values of the principles involved … of the various beliefs … and go from there … by testing them yourself.

Obviously … one becomes more refined as one walks more deeply into the foundation of LIFE.

If one does not do this … then they simply ride the currents of popular opinion and theory … for as long as it suits them.

An individual will choose to do this when they wish to begin to take control over their beliefs, habits, and patterns … rather than letting these features control them. Our beliefs, habits, patterns, viewpoints, preferences … are all mostly mechanical … or habitual … and in order to set ourselves free … we must discern their benefit and revise / adjust accordingly. With personal sleuthing … inner detective work … one begins to work with and develop … probabilities … via intuition … and growing perception of how things work in ones own consciousness. Many times … intuition equals probabilities … and probabilities equals and develops intuition. One … senses. One … feels … not emotionally … but a developed spiritual sensitivity.

This begins to develop an objectivity to your own awareness … to your own perspectives … a detachment of sorts … and eventually you begin to perceive from Soul Itself. Mental conclusions can certainly be drawn early on … but eventually … one begins to inspect these mental conclusions … and when one begins to rise high enough to do this effectively … the only facet of Self able to do this is … Soul. Again … mind is perfectly capable of jumping in early and claim that it ( mind ) is responsible for such sleuthing. A deepening of one’s intuition … uncovering the involved probabilities … and sensing what is best for the Whole Self and not just our present situation or condition … leads to greater discernment. Soul Itself lives from the principles of LIFE … not the mental conclusions we are taught to maintain society, philosophy, and religion. There is a happy medium amongst all of this … a balance if you will … and one can live peacefully and with dignity here … while maintaining a much higher perspective … that of Soul … from the higher worlds.

This leads to understanding what is best for us now … no matter our circumstances. We can put up with troubling situations if we know the overall principle is in our best interest and good for all concerned … including ourselves … and later … as a service to and for … Life.

Your habits, patterns, perceptions, beliefs … have controlled you for a long time. Finding out where they probably came from and if they are still necessary to the extent that you currently believe in them … is up to you to decide. It is not necessary at all to cover and determine each and every specific in order to balance out various perspectives. For example … an individual has a fear of heights … or of the darkness or closed-in places … one does not need to demand of oneself to uncover the exact situation in ones past … probably in a past life … before you can take steps to balance out the perspective and not let it greatly control you. You can simply accept that somewhere … sometime … you had an awful experience … that led to this habit controlling you. It was probably very valid at the time. You can still ease up on such beliefs and gain a degree of freedom.

All of this can be developed with most anything … to whatever degree one can apply the inner effort to do so.

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Old 17-01-2022, 02:08 PM
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Considerations 115 …

Beliefs verses Ideals …

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There is always a war within the mind … whether one knows or acknowledges / recognizes this war or not. The mental areas are filled with opinion … which is the testing stage of beliefs. One “believes” for a while … until the belief is proven to be worthy or unworthy. Such is the Path in the Lower Psychic Worlds. The entire set-up is to force choice and then to learn from said choices via karmic implications and reincarnation. Direct personal experience is the name of the game. Opinion can always be considered … but personal experience always steers the ship.

For much of the Path … one lives within ones beliefs. These are principles or factors that one will follow and live from / within … until they prove themselves to be more or less worthy of continuing. When one even considers … let alone actually confronts their belief system … this is a huge turning point in their own Path to discovery.

Continuing with the last few posts … one begins to question just what their own beliefs are … where these beliefs have “gotten” them … and where they might lead. The huge giant step comes … when one begins to set an “ideal” in front of themselves as a goal. The individual acknowledges that the belief had a cornerstone … a foundational principle … a first cause … and this first cause is greater than the diluted belief that one has been living from up until the present. Now … the individual wishes to build the belief system around the ideal … which would be as close to the actual cornerstone / first cause that one can uncover and understand.

Designing an “ideal” brings forth many, many formative perspectives that the individual will live from … forever. One begins to design and “head towards” this ideal. One learns discipline. One learns to live forward. One learns to BE … this ideal … and to “be” it long enough to where one actually becomes / knows the ideal.

Until this time … mind wanders. Mind will gladly and eagerly assess any opinion thrown its way. That’s what mind does … analyze / judge / label / categorize / compare. Mind wishes to continue to debate opinions. This is mind’s recreation. This is mind’s entertainment. This is minds way of life.

For so long … we have all accepted and believed that reality IS mind … and … in the Lower Psychic Worlds … this is true. The Lower Psychic Worlds are built by and of … the Universal Mind. This is acceptable … seemingly … forever. Since everything that happens around us has to do with the Universal Mind and what it involves … we are content to continue down that Path … again … seemingly … forever.

Do you have ANY idea how few people are considering … let alone actualizing … a step beyond the popular mental ways ?

Most just want to read. They want to lightly investigate. They want to gather data … and further acknowledge the data that substantiates what the individual already believes to be true. This … is the way of the Path in the Lower Psychic Worlds.

But when one begins to gather … let alone to actually consider … what would be the cornerstone or principle that ones beliefs are built upon … one at a time … and to begin to build according to the ideal of those beliefs as far as one can comprehend and understand them … is a massive step on the individual Path.

The mind will gather data … provide an opinion mostly following the popular theory of the day … and accept that as a viable Path to follow. To begin to bring together the various religious and / or philosophical belief systems … to find the cornerstones or foundations that tie these together … to design the ideal that would incorporate and settle on the first cause of these principle … is the first step towards working beyond mind. To build towards “First Cause” is exactly what one does when one heads back toward the Center of LIFE.

Mind tends to gather data … and compare data … because it is dealing with theory. Mind can dance about within “what about” or “what if” forever … to talk about the possibilities of … anything and everything.

One must begin to apply … and practice … to determine the validity and value of these theories. Yes … even this takes “forever.” Eventually one begins to uncover the true cornerstone … the true foundation … the true “First Cause” of the various principle that the subsequent beliefs and opinions are built upon. These … would be the ideals. These … would be what one must build their perspective and understanding upon … if one finally wishes move into understanding “Greater Truth.” It makes perfect sense … even to the mind … one uncovers the true cornerstone … then one would be living of and within Greater Truth. Until then … it is all a matter of considering opinions. The more broad and comprehensive the guiding principle … the more apt it is based “higher” in the organization and understanding of Life. Specifics confuse … and mire the individual in analysis. Find the much more broad principle from which the specifics emanate.

As one begins to consider and choose beliefs … there is always the tendency to want said belief to apply in *all* similar circumstances or situations … and to dismiss said belief if it doesn’t *always* apply. The nature of the Lower Psychic Worlds is such that there is always change … and that virtually nothing *always* applies. It’s a trap. This makes the individual eventually open to flexibility … applying from the position one is living from at the moment … and to develop on and on and on … into greater depths.

There is always the question of the definition of what an ideal is. The most effective is to hold to a principle / ideal that will offer the most beneficial effect … but still acknowledges flexibility if necessary. The mind loves to claim that … out of 100 examples of a situation or condition … if it didn’t work one time … throw the other 99 out anyway. Mind always wishes to find that one ideal within which all holds true. In the Lower Psychic Worlds … you will wander that section of the Path forever … literally.

If one truly wishes to gain some understanding over the Lower Psychic Worlds … one finds that the way of probabilities and flexibility is the name of the game … always refining or revising towards the greater principle … as best one understands and can do so. There are no shortcuts in the Lower Psychic Worlds. One cannot outsmart or trick out those lofty entities that have done all of this before … and oversee those who are worthy of moving on verses those who must continue their education in these worlds. It is the direct job of these overseers to determine one from the other. They know the dodges and tricks that all tend to use … and the empty declarations. It is always up to the individual to prove that one is worthy … by knowledge and action.

More next Monday.

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Old 17-01-2022, 02:43 PM
hazada guess
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Zorkchop.............I wasn't going to post on this thread again, but after your last post, I had to.
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Old 17-01-2022, 04:56 PM
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hazada guess …

Moving into a greater understanding of Life involves a broadening of perspective … not a restriction. Trying to demand that something you accepted as true years ago to still be as valid and true … you might as well tie an anchor around your ankle. If older viewpoints are in actuality valid and true … then they will survive no matter what.

The more broad viewpoint will allow for both validating an earlier belief and in the building into something even more expansive. If you take a knowing stance … then it should hold true and endure … no matter what else one learns.

Whatever you “see” in these posts … there should be a middle path where both can prevail. It is up to you to find it.

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