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11-04-2023, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Molearner
inavalan,
This, of course, is a definition of ignorance. “Forgive them for they know not what they do”…..ignorance…..and can be understood as ‘ignoring’ God….if it was not a sin forgiveness would have no application…..
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I don't think that "pride" (as a sin) is about ignorance, but about attitude.
You can be ignorant and be aware of your limited knowledge, which allows you to learn and progress: the pupil's position.
When you are sure that you know, sooner or later your limited and / or distorted knowledge will get back at you.
Ignorance isn't about "ignoring God', but about distorting what God is, and your belief that you know "what God is" would be an example of pride.
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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11-04-2023, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sky
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Pride can be positive or negative, healthy or unhealthy, but I personally do not see it as a 'sin'..... Used in the correct way it can be beneficial to oneself and others.
Imo.....
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So, you disagree with Jesus.
Maybe you misunderstood what JC meant. Maybe, you are "guilty" of pride.
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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11-04-2023, 11:10 PM
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Being happy and proud you finished a 10K race is fine! Yay for you! You did it!
I think your heavenly Father is happy and proud, too!
Sure, better than feeling shame that you finished 100th!
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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12-04-2023, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
I don't think that "pride" (as a sin) is about ignorance, but about attitude.
You can be ignorant and be aware of your limited knowledge, which allows you to learn and progress: the pupil's position.
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I can perceive you wish to make distinctions….could that be pride ? If one has limited knowledge it means that he remains ignorant of the full truth. There is something that he does not know….pure and simple. Actually we all fall into this category. “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble”. Since this is the Christian forum it would be interesting for the defenders of pride provide some corroborating scripture. What I am hearing are examples of ‘innocent pride’ said without malice but unaware of the full source of their accomplishment. |
12-04-2023, 01:55 AM
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'Pride' used to be the opposite of humility and meant some thing like vanity, then it was more like that satisfaction with something you did well, like being proud of your work, but now-days it's becoming the opposite of shame, guilt and repression. Soon it'll go the way of the word 'gay' and have none of the original meaning. That's how words change over time and why it's impossible to take the Bible literally.
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13-04-2023, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Honza
It is called the cardinal sin. But what actually is it? In my heart I feel that I am too proud, but am not sure in what way.
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Pride and Proud sometimes have different meanings and connotations.
From what I have 'seen', the word(s) can be used to help distinguish who my friends are and who are my 'enemies'.
Was Jesus a proud person? Who knows. He was God's first born and was the 'one' who created everything. I think most of us if we had those 'things' under our belt, would feel some pride and accomplishment(s).
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13-04-2023, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
So, you disagree with Jesus.
Maybe you misunderstood what JC meant. Maybe, you are "guilty" of pride.
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No inavalan I'm 'Not guilty' , there's no 'Guilt' in having pride. Imo only.... Jesus is referring to excessive pride which is unhealthy/unwholesome.... |
13-04-2023, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Gem
but now-days it's becoming the opposite of shame, guilt and repression.
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Yes indeed. That is how I use the word.
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13-04-2023, 06:53 AM
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Paul writes in Galatians 6:4, “Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself.”
Paul seems to understand...... It's how we use our 'Pride' not 'Pride' itself that causes the problems.Imo.
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13-04-2023, 07:41 AM
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It seems apparent that the word Pride is double edged. It can mean both good and bad.
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The Humility, the Pride and the Humiliation.
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