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Old 02-12-2021, 06:23 PM
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Epigenetics, organ donation and body memory

I listened to a video of a reincarnation therapist. Among other things, he talks about epigenetics and the 'memory' that exists in our organs and how people that receive organs will then gain memories and abilities of the donor. I have heard of this before. He also mentions people that are 'clinically dead' have their organs removed whilst they aren't even dead yet ((but the doctors measure them and say ''this person is dead'')), and how this causes spiritual harm and confusion. He claims that this is also what causes failure in organ donation and it can only be remedied if there is a soul connection made. This means a personal relationship between donor and receiver is important.

I have 'opted out' myself for organ donation, years ago, precisely for these reasons! It is nice to hear someone else give clarification and verification of my concerns. Something about us lingers on if we leave organs behind here. I'm pro cremation for the same reasons.

Anyway, it's in Dutch but maybe you can make some sense of it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6y...annel=JornLuka
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:55 AM
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Interesting notions although I'm not persuaded a so-called reincarnationist therapist is necessarily authoritative about any of the matters mentioned.

On an individual level, however, I totally respect anyone choosing not to be a donor - or recipient - of an organ for whatever reasons.

It is certainly arguable that organs may be removed before an animating spirit has left the body it used to animate. There is no clinical test to establish that point so it's possible death might be declared when the body is still being animated but at an undetectable level.

It's also arguable that would be a shock to the animating spirit and potentially cause confusion but what "spiritual harm" means explained. Can a spirit experience harm?

I can't accept claims that memory exists in our organs but I have an alternative possibility. The spirit of a donor might still link to the organ removed and choose to continue after that organ is transplaned to a living body.

That might then allow the spirit to continue its association with the organ and perhaps later begin to help animate other parts of the body it has been associated with. IF that were to happen then just MAYBE that's why some of the attributes of the donor sometimes appear be exhibited by the recipient of the organ.

If any of the above does actually happen then my guess would be that the two spirits now involved with animating a single body would have agreed to continue that arrangement. I also guess that if the two couldn't agree then the transplanted organ might, or would, fail.

I acknowledge there are a lot of "might" and "maybe" ideas in those suggestions and guesses!
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Old 03-12-2021, 02:40 PM
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This is personal to me, but have come to the conclusion that I would never donate or receive an organ.
Others may disagree but I am truly adamant on my thinking.
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Old 03-12-2021, 02:49 PM
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This is personal to me, but have come to the conclusion that I would never donate or receive an organ.
Others may disagree but I am truly adamant on my thinking.

As I indicated earlier, I totally respect anyone's decision to be neither a donor nor a recipient. It's everyone's absolute right to do whatever they feel to be right.
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Old 03-12-2021, 03:09 PM
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As I indicated earlier, I totally respect anyone's decision to be neither a donor nor a recipient. It's everyone's absolute right to do whatever they feel to be right.

This is true.
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Old 04-12-2021, 04:55 AM
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As I indicated earlier, I totally respect anyone's decision to be neither a donor nor a recipient. It's everyone's absolute right to do whatever they feel to be right.


Exactly.....there's no right or wrong here. It's an individual decision.
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Old 04-12-2021, 05:43 PM
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I can't accept claims that memory exists in our organs but I have an alternative possibility. The spirit of a donor might still link to the organ removed and choose to continue after that organ is transplanted to a living body.
Another possibility is that the transplanted organ retains some of the aura and etheric field of the original owner. So the recipient receives subtle (or not so subtle) impressions and tendencies of the previous owner.

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Old 04-12-2021, 07:05 PM
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It's an interesting situation but one that doesn't appear commonplace and it's perhaps understandable.

Whatever is the right reason - and none of us knows for certain - "body memory" doesn't appear to happen with every transplant as far as I'm aware. If it did then we'd have a better chance of understanding the phenomenon.

I haven't read anything here though to change my view of organ donation.

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Old 04-12-2021, 11:46 PM
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I opted out of Donation and i opted my kids out. i came to the Decision because of something that Happened .
My mother had a kidney transplant she lived a good few years with it working well.
Just before she died her kidney started failing again.
A person i knew had a heart transplant i was asking his wife how he was and she said its strange.
He had become very ticklish where as he was'nt before,and he likes spicy food now which he never used to.
is it the Dona heart?


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Old 05-12-2021, 10:38 AM
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Might physical changes in a recipient's body be down to receiving a donated heart? We can't prove it's the case but it's a possibility I suppose. We just don't know.

To the best of my now-failing memory I think I recall guide and teacher 'Silver Birch' being against organ transplantation but I don't remember his reasons. If donated organs could sometimes pass on undesirable elements of the characteristics and character of a donor then that just might be why Silver Birch was against it.

With well-matched donor and recipient tissue, maybe that of a close relative such as a sibling or twin and especially when it's live organ donation such as a kidney or part of a liver, the potential benefits are massive.

Less well-matched donations might pose unclear risks to a recipient but faced with crippling illness or death even that might be considered an acceptable risk.
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