Why do we not all "See the Tunnel"

[Lynn]

Hello

I thought I would start a thread on this topic of why when some of us have an NDE that we do not see the "Tunnel or White Light" yet it can be in many cases proved we have had a death event.

We often report "seeing" our body and being outside our body. Yet we just sit there and nothing more happens. Now as we have a very powerful brain and logic centre that could play a role in blocking what we remember. We too are shaped by our belief system and being outside the body to the brain is not logical so could be dismissed.

I have over the years spoken publicly about NDE's and attended many events where people share their experiences and memories. Read so many books on the topic an still do not have an understanding of it all. As a Medium I know that when I cross over someone that is in "Ghost" place of being that Earth Bound mode that there is a "White Light" that opens to me, and they go over. I do not get to see more though than a light. At time I do see one's waiting for them to go in, but I never get to see in.

I have talked to many that have had a NDE and they had the Light and they felt that place of peace and came back in and are so unhappy that had to happen. The place they went was so HOME for them they wanted to stay. Some are bitter til they finally do get the death event that is final. Others learn something in staying living even if that life is one of many struggles.

I have always wondered why we are taken at times and we do not get to fully complete the dying process. I remember with my Dad telling the Dr. the actutal time of his death, yet for hours they still worked on him. Why? it is what they have to do to try and save someone. Yet he was gone I felt that from him at that time of his death. He had crossed over. It is in this place that Dr's at times can pull you back, and I do wonder on doing this at times. Many times you come back not whole and in a vegetative state.

There are one's that tell of having a Soul Transfer take place, now the Soul leaves in death and if your pulled back in you need a Soul so are you given one so that you continue on ? That Soul you originally had might not be able to come back in as it has knew knowledge with it maybe.

I have always wondered on the death process but I am in no rush to have it fully happen. I too note that Spirits that come to me can not tell me much about the whole process, mostly I get the reply you will know in your time. Why is it all so forbidden ?

Thoughts welcome on what the Light is and the Tunnel is and why we do not all get that part of the experience. Is the "Tunnel" that holding place where it is decided if your "done" for good ? Is there a higher force that has a say in this or do we control our own fate ?


Lynn

[Tobi]

I have often wondered what that "tunnel" is, and am still not sure. I experienced it myself once, though not clinically 'dead' at the time, but during an out of body experience in 1981 and I was fit and healthy. When I went through that tunnel, it was so fast and I had absolutely no control over it. I didn't mind but it was a bit scary. I had no idea where I would come out or end up. The speed was terrific, and there was a howling gale force wind.
I don't recall seeing a bright light at that point, but came out into a peaceful and curious scenario. Was completely alone, and in an ancient 'hall' of some kind which looked at least 1000 years old and nordic/ Scandinavian, or possibly British. There was a large stone well, with liquid flame and light in it, and in the center was a white-hot kind of light which whooshed up and threw me back.

I have often wondered if the "tunnel" is some sort of fast-track through the denser areas of the astral. If so, it may depend on our personal vibratory rate, (which deposits us in a certain 'place' of interest/learning to us at the time) which isn't necessarily something we always have conscious control over, but based on what's going on under the surface of conscious ego mind.

I never had that tunnel experience again, even though went out of body many times since.

I don't know why some do and some don't experience that in an NDE.

[SoulsInMotion]

Originally Posted by Tobi

Was completely alone, and in an ancient 'hall' of some kind which looked at least 1000 years old and nordic/ Scandinavian, or possibly British. There was a large stone well, with liquid flame and light in it, and in the center was a white-hot kind of light which whooshed up and threw me back.

This is freaking me out. Alright so I have a pre-mortal memory. The basics you need to know here are that one day as a kid this memory was triggered when I looked at my living room under certain conditions. We had a fireplace to one side of the room. In the memory, I was in a room much like this one except with energy beings and looking out on the earth. I remember certain details about it today but many were "lost" to me over time.

I decided to start working on an animation in 3d recreating the details of the memory. The problem was that I didn't really know what to put in the place of our fireplace. I didn't remember what was there. I remembered that the room seemed dim and I couldn't see much form to it. There were probably pillars. I decided to fill in the mentioned area with... a large stone well, containing some form of energy. In the center of the wall I placed a kind of relic with white-ish energy.

The influences for my design were certainly Scandinavian.

I kid you not... lol. I just started on this a few days ago.

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Lynn

We often report "seeing" our body and being outside our body. Yet we just sit there and nothing more happens.

Originally Posted by Tobi

I have often wondered what that "tunnel" is,

I have not had an NDE. However I have seen white (or light gray) tunnels many times. For me it happens when 'moving' through inter-dimensional space at very high 'speed' during OBE. Assuming this is the same phenomena, it would explain why its not seen when one 'just sits' there.

'Tunnels' can also be during OBE if you view from extremely large perspectives (billions of dimensions/planes at a time). Much like the way stars/galaxies group in normal space with wispy threads between them, planes with 'stuff' in them tend to cluster up in the same way. Technically such a landscape is 'full' of planes but many of them have little content and appear transparent to most ways of 'seeing'.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Tobi

I have often wondered if the "tunnel" is some sort of fast-track through the denser areas of the astral. If so, it may depend on our personal vibratory rate, (which deposits us in a certain 'place' of interest/learning to us at the time) which isn't necessarily something we always have conscious control over, but based on what's going on under the surface of conscious ego mind.

I don't know when this was originally posted, but I came across this idea quite recently and it does make sense.

I used to wonder if going through a tunnel is simply our experience of going through the vortex of energy which is a chakra as we leave the physical body. But then I read about the tunnel as providing a shield from the sights and energies of the lower astral planes. So we find ourselves on whichever astral plane is right for us - if we had to consciously make our way through the lower astral planes then dying would become a terrifying process.

Peace

[TuesdaysChild]

Hi, I hope you don’t mind that I’ve revived this older thread! This business with seeing the “tunnel” and the light has consumed me a bit because I didn’t see what I would call a “tunnel”. A tunnel, to me, is big enough for a train to pass through, or at least something large enough where one can walk or crawl through.

What I saw I calla “tube”. Maybe this is just a matter of semantics and I splitting hairs here. I sometimes do get hung up on semantics; I’m a paralegal, it’s baked into my degree. Wait…….I’m a FORMER paralegal, woohoo! Im beginning my new life doing what I’m here to do.

Anyhow, this tube was only wide enough to levitate through while your astral body is pin straight and arms held tightly against one’s sides. It went through the ceiling in the makeshift O/R. At the end was that beautifully brilliant light. I wanted to go through to see what it was. I was so curious! Then I literally felt hands, smallish, sweaty, bony and cold hands wrap around my ankles and pulling me down and away from the light. I kicked and yelled (telepathically) for whomever it was to let me go. I was angry!

I still don’t know why or who that was. Maybe my estranged sister who is still alive because she is horribly intrusive, has no regard or sense for boundaries, makes me THAT angry in a flash, and has bony, sweaty, and cold hands. LOL

Back to the subject matter: I often questioned myNDE as being nothing more than the brain releasing DMT, but why do so many report the same thing? Even from different cultures!

[Native spirit]

I have had three NDE never once did I see a tunnel, even when I have sent some over into the light it was never through a tunnel.
so I don't believe it it the same for everyone


Namaste

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Native spirit

I have had three NDE never once did I see a tunnel, even when I have sent some over into the light it was never through a tunnel.
so I don't believe it it the same for everyone

Right.
Is anything ever the 'same' for anyone?

[Tobi]

That is intriguing, SoulsInMotion.
I wondered why I was presented with that well/flame/light at the time, and wondered if it harked back to some ancient time within my memory or racial memory...or was possibly some form of archetype...(?)

But that is a bit synchronicitous (is there such a word??)

Good wishes with your animation project!

[SoulsInMotion]

Well, your story made me think that perhaps my design decisions were not so arbitrary after all, but something within my subconscious may have told me what was there. And perhaps it's all symbolic language anyway.

My feeling in the pre-mortal memory was that this was a sort of checkpoint for souls in waiting between lives, or wherever it is we come from. I was told that the earth was my destination. They showed it to me, and then whoosh - I was on my way.

Thanks for the wishes. I'll be posting it on these forums when I'm done.