World Hunger

[JosephineB]

The buzz about pesticides:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-fXYR9FTfM

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Elfin

Hi.. would you not agree also that many countries get "over looked" because there isn't anything "in it" for the countries that could help them? These are just my own personal thoughts .

I haven't a clue what to agree with, Elfin. Which countries and how do you define them as being 'overlooked'?

Originally Posted by Altair

I haven't a clue what to agree with, Elfin. Which countries and how do you define them as being 'overlooked'?

It seems to have come to my attention Altair , that the powers that be rush in with the armies to "help" sort out conflict.... Can't wait to get off the blinking ground if you will.. to assist so called war torn areas , in other words the "rich" countries that they have lucritive financial dealings with. The only other reason they would get involved is if they were under threat of attack , and so have to defend oneself. .... But if none of those apply , you don't see them "interfering" in warfare against poor countries where there is no financial gain, like oil for instance. They are just left to "get on with it".. Not that I'm saying they should. It's merely an observation. I would assume none of us feel that war is ever warranted, but happens regardless. It's just my personnel feeling that many poor countries, in many ways get left behind, in favour of the rich nations.

Originally Posted by JosephineBloggs

The buzz about pesticides:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-fXYR9FTfM

Ahhhh they are so lovely arnt they? But then the world wonders why they are declining. You only have to look in the sky at what the planes are spewing out on regular basis . I have many bee keepers around me. I used to sell their pure honey. And I know from one year to the next how the bees and honey are being affected. It's a concern.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Elfin

Ahhhh they are so lovely arnt they? But then the world wonders why they are declining. You only have to look in the sky at what the planes are spewing out on regular basis . I have many bee keepers around me. I used to sell their pure honey. And I know from one year to the next how the bees and honey are being affected. It's a concern.

Everyone who buys non-organic food, refuses to support rewilding efforts, or uses a garden for just stone and grass, is in part responsible for bee decline. It's as simple as that.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Elfin

It's just my personnel feeling that many poor countries, in many ways get left behind, in favour of the rich nations.

That may be true, but if every country is supposed to be self sufficient there will be more hunger.

There are no perfect solutions. World trade and capitalism isn't perfect, but protectionist policies are often even worse. When I grew up we had a large veggie garden, many fruit trees, and chickens. It's great and should be more common but even so it is not enough to support a family, you still need to buy plenty of food unless of course you're willing to take more risks.

Originally Posted by Altair

That may be true, but if every country is supposed to be self sufficient there will be more hunger.

There are no perfect solutions. World trade and capitalism isn't perfect, but protectionist policies are often even worse. When I grew up we had a large veggie garden, many fruit trees, and chickens. It's great and should be more common but even so it is not enough to support a family, you still need to buy plenty of food unless of course you're willing to take more risks.

I know... I just get upset sometimes. Anyone does I suppose if they think too deeply about things. I get super upset being HSP / empath. I feel for the whole world sometimes , with all its problems, I can never stop thinking about less fortunate people, human suferring and nature. I was thinking specifically about Africa. I do what I can to help in my own little way. As many do. But it's never enough

[Busby]

Originally Posted by Altair

World hunger has declined because of international trade, as have political conflicts. It is essential to peace that countries work together. Countries specialize in goods and this provides stability. Most countries don't have the land or the resources to produce everything by themselves. North Korea mostly tries too and many there starve. It's always good to produce more yourself with gardening but that alone is not going to cut it. And farmers often produce far more than what the domestic market demands.

The true facts don't support such an argument. Most countries 'specialising' in something have high incidences of poverty as the money earned by producers goes straight into the big bank accounts of a few and the workers tending coffee, tea, banana, pineapple, palm oil, rubber, and all other plantations are left with very little. Were these countries and the like devoted to feeding their own people the land used for exporting luxury foods and other goods would be put to greater use.
Africa, where massive tracts of land are now being leased to the Chinese for 50 years, the resulting leasing fees going straight into the pockets of the government officials, won't be benefitting long term for these deals as the food produced is for the Chinese people. The Africans can look after themselves.
Africa, as an example, once produced enough meat in the form of chicken so covering their own needs. They had a substantial supply of eggs. Nowadays Europe and other westen countries produce an overflow of chickens by millions per day and export them to Africa dirt cheap thus ruining the once successful home market. There are plenty of other examples.
If you think that Spain, who delivers all sorts of 'out of season fruits and vegetables is happy about the thousands of north African workers busy farming under plastic covers those 'delicacies' which we buy in our supermarkets then just look at the environmental atrocities practiced under those plastic roofs.
Following a seasonal food production gives all countries a chance to feed themselves, occasionally with a bit of help maybe - think North Korea or the Irish famine - but importing caviar from Russia is not only pointless but results in massive fish depletion.

And so on and so forth.

Hunger aside?How are the alikes,such as elon musk,ego driven drop kicks,aloud to put thousands of satellites in the skies.

Money and greed that is,this is and will come to an end soon.

People have had enough of the side show.

And are awakening to this illusion.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Busby

Following a seasonal food production gives all countries a chance to feed themselves, occasionally with a bit of help maybe - think North Korea or the Irish famine - but importing caviar from Russia is not only pointless but results in massive fish depletion.

And so on and so forth.

The size of countries' populations is in large part a result of industrialization and modern agricultural practices. It is not possible for many countries with large populations to produce everything they need for just their own population. Soil and climate also limit such and specializations have provided more stability. If you think every country can do it than they all must have an ideally sized population, space, and agricultural practices. It only 'works' if you use the ideal scenario and would apply it to all countries, ignoring differences in soil, climate, population, and agricultural practices.

Heck, even on a very small scale level you can't produce enough for even one family and you still need to go to the supermarket. Of course, that is if you want a prosperous life. You could produce enough food but it won't be an ideal, adequate diet. It is quantity over quality, for example eating a certain kind of vegetable every day for months out of necessity and also accepting crop failure and other inconveniences. My grandparents produced much of their own and ate mostly seasonal and it wasn't a prosperous life. It was harsh and difficult. Most farmers are also not going to produce for just a domestic market. Where I live much of the soil is suitable for a handful of crops. It would be pointless to feed just grain, onions, and a few other crops to people. We all need a balanced diet for health optimization. You can't really achieve that for millions of people if your soil makes it necessary to stick to a few crops, hence you trade with other countries that specialize elsewhere so you can strike a deal.

These days many of us look at all the flaws of the modern economy and don't pause to realize it has fed a higher percentage of people and provided more prosperity than previous systems where countries were more self sufficient. Hunger and starvation were far more common throughout history than they are today.