Jesus, the Only True God or Son of God

[jojo50]

many say Jesus is the True God and Father. yet some say he's the Son of the True God and has a Father. what did Jesus say concerning this subject that has even Christians disagreeing? is Jesus the God of Israel?

[sky]

" I am in the Father, and the Father is in me”. ..... “ I and my Father are one ”.

As we all are

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by sky123

" I am in the Father, and the Father is in me”. ..... “ I and my Father are one ”.

As we all are

Excellent response to the OP !

[sky]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Excellent response to the OP !

Thank you

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

" I am in the Father, and the Father is in me”. ..... “ I and my Father are one ”.

As we all are[

Almost....... but no cigar.

If you read the full context of the surrounding scriptures, it does not say what you want it to say.

John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Ah - so wonderful to read this again.

[Dan_SF]

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

To understand this relationship, i use the Sun-Sunbeam parable. But Sun, not as a material object, but only as light.

You see, when the Sun sends out a Light Beam out, what it send it is, actually, a round ball of energy. You see it as a beam, because it is moving so fast.
You see it as a beam, because it sends not only 1 ball of energy, but continuously, endless many balls of energy.

And here it is where the parable ends (because of physical reasons).
Because, when God sends out these balls of energy, its being is expanding.

There is no distinction where God starts and where God ends, because this means nothing.

The meaning of starting and beginning is formed only on the material plane.

And so, When Jesus says "The father is in Me" he is speaking out of the material body, pointing that the father is inside and working through.

When Jesus says, I am in my father, then it means that, even his material and it's spiritual body does live IN the father.
And because on the spiritual, Godly plane, there is no distinction of beginnings and endings, "Jesus is in the Father, and the father is in Jesus".

And it is true that this counts for every of us.


I use to think, (think because no one has asked me yet, about this):

If you can't imagine God (because God has no Image), then use the image of Jesus, because you can have 100% trust in him, to lead you to God.

Thanks for reading.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Almost....... but no cigar.

If you read the full context of the surrounding scriptures, it does not say what you want it to say.

John 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Is it your understanding that Jesus is the ONLY Son of God ?

[jojo50]

Originally Posted by sky123

" I am in the Father, and the Father is in me”. ..... “ I and my Father are one ”. As we all are

Jesus also said ,(1). Matt. 7:21 Not every one that said unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that do the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Jesus said doing his FATHER's WILL, can save us).

(2). John 14:24 He that love me not keep not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (if we love Jesus, we will obey he related to us from his FATHER).

(3). John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will,but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (Jesus can only do what his FATHER allows him to do).

(4). John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Jesus wasn't calling HIMSELF... the "ONLY TRUE GOD." because he then, included himself)!

(5). John 20:17 Jesus said unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (as clear to see Jesus said that he has a FATHER and a GOD).

I understand what Jesus meant by saying he and his "Father are one." and they are each other. he just meant that they were in total union. and in total agreement with all that God words says. peace

[sky]

Originally Posted by jojo50

Jesus also said ,(1). Matt. 7:21 Not every one that said unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that do the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Jesus said doing his FATHER's WILL, can save us).

(2). John 14:24 He that love me not keep not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (if we love Jesus, we will obey he related to us from his FATHER).

(3). John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will,but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (Jesus can only do what his FATHER allows him to do).

(4). John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Jesus wasn't calling HIMSELF... the "ONLY TRUE GOD." because he then, included himself)!

(5). John 20:17 Jesus said unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (as clear to see Jesus said that he has a FATHER and a GOD).

I understand what Jesus meant by saying he and his "Father are one." and they are each other. he just meant that they were in total union. and in total agreement with all that God words says. peace

He said....
" I am in the Father, and the Father is in me”. ..... “ I and my Father are one ”.