Without God, Evil does not exists - Page 5

athribiristan · #41 05-03-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego

ALTER2EGO -to- ATHRIBIRISTAN:

You are under the misguided idea that because Jehovah created everything, it equates to "God created evil." God created things. He didn't create actions. Evil is an action that is performed by individuals. Actions are not "created," actions are "done" by people.

The wrongdoing that God condemns is not something he created: It's something God "defined" as evil. To summarize:

1. God defines what actions are evil.

2. A person who has the choice of performing or not performing the act, DOES the forbidden act that God defined is evil.

There is nothing that exists that is not God.

In order to really grasp this you have to look at creation from outside the context of time. To God everything is done. Its already happened. The whole of creation is there on his canvas from beginning to end and its ALL Him....no exceptions. He's not just the happy shiny parts.

#42 06-03-2012, 02:06 AM

God didn't create evil.

Triner · #43 06-03-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by athribiristan

There is nothing that exists that is not God.

In order to really grasp this you have to look at creation from outside the context of time. To God everything is done. Its already happened. The whole of creation is there on his canvas from beginning to end and its ALL Him....no exceptions. He's not just the happy shiny parts.

Exactly... so if evil exists, it exists withing God. If the devil exists, the devil exists within God. If sin exists, it exists within God... Everything is within God.

#44 19-03-2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Since we spoke of Joel S. Goldsmith I thought this was pertinent to this subject of reality - plus it shows to some a bit of what Mr. Goldsmith spoke about...any book of his is worth reading...

"Now let us be very clear on one point: We cannot harm anybody, and nobody can harm us.
No one can injure us, but we injure ourselves by a violation of the law of love.
The penalty is always upon the one who is doing the evil, never upon the one to whom it is done. The injustice we do to another reacts upon ourselves; the theft from another robs ourselves.
The law of love makes it inevitable that the person who seems to have been harmed is really blessed.
He has a greater opportunity to rise than ever before, and usually some greater benefit comes to him than he had ever dreamed possible; whereas the perpetrator of the evil deed is haunted by memories until that day comes when he can forgive himself.

The whole proof that this is true is in the one word "Self."
God is our Selfhood.
God is my Selfhood and God is your Selfhood.
God constitutes my being, for God is my life, my Soul, my spirit, my mind, and my activity.
God is my Self. That Self is the only Self there is—my Self and your Self.
If I rob your Self, whom am I robbing?
My Self.
If I lie about your Self, about whom am I lying?
My Self.
If I cheat your Self, whom do I cheat?
My Self.
There is only one Self, and that which I do to another, I do to my Self."

That is amazing! :)

Miss Hepburn · #45 19-03-2012, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ShapeShifter

That is amazing! :)

I know! That Joel S. Goldsmith !

I can open to any page and read any sentence - he is that amazing.

Amilius777 · #46 20-03-2012, 06:07 AM

I am glad to see more enlightened people these days.

The devil, or the Evil Power is nothing more but part of the ONE Power which is God who is Divine or The "Original Consciousness". Consciousness is Spirit and Spirit is Consciousness. Same thing. But The Spirit becomes individualized in spirits or what you call souls. Souls are individualized Spirit but the sense of separation from the Spirit because the nature of the soul IS individualistic, thus arises the forces of "desire" and "self" which causes souls to lose awareness of The Spirit. That is why God combined soul and body. So that the soul may know its separation from the Spirit.

The Evil Power which stirs within the mind and hearts of individuals was created by God or the Spirit in order for there to be free will or the polar opposites or two sides of a coin. The Devil who is the Originator of darkness or Sin and the creator of all things evil is nothing but a part of the SUPREME BEING, another differentiated consciousness like the other Archangels all given tasks and assignments in God's Cosmic Order.