Dukkha, often translated as Suffering, actually means Desire?

[sky]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

"Tanha" can be thought of as Desire-Want, while Dukkha is Desire-Striving.

Suffering has to do with not being able to achieve soul growth or soul development,

Can you point out please where The Buddha taught about suffering being connected to 'Soul' growth/development ?

Teachings on 'Anatman' might help you .....

[MidasCloud]

Originally Posted by sky

Can you point out please where The Buddha taught about suffering being connected to 'Soul' growth/development ?

Teachings on 'Anatman' might help you .....

You don't need the Buddha to tell you about it to know this:

Suffering has to do with not being able to achieve soul growth or soul development, such as being locked up and deprived of freedom to socialize, learn and explore, or taking drugs and being in an intoxicated state, or even self-harm as in committing suicide, so as not being able to complete a full life experience.

More readings that might interest you:
https://www.personalitycafe.com/thre...istory.1331125

[sky]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

You don't need the Buddha to tell you about it to know this:

Suffering has to do with not being able to achieve soul growth or soul development

I don't believe is a 'Soul' so can't comment, neither did The Buddha....

[Gem]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

"Tanha" can be thought of as Desire-Want, while Dukkha is Desire-Striving.

Tanha is that reactivity of aversions and cravings which is said to be the cause of dukkha or suffering. I don't think that's debated by Buddhist scholars, but there are a lot of nuances that go into it.

It's hard to talk about a soul in Buddhist terms because there is no enduring eternal soul as such, but rather, a continuous stream of consciousness or something like that... but personal development or spiritual development is still a thing, so I'm happy to call person a soul in that context.

It has a lot to do with the physical body, or sensations (vedana) particular, and there is a lot said about 'from feelings craving arises', which implies how the mind/body is like an interplay of phenomena rather than being substances in their own right.

[MidasCloud]

Originally Posted by sky

I don't believe is a 'Soul' so can't comment, neither did The Buddha....

You can think of the soul as the part of you that's from the Energetic sphere. The reincarnating aspect of humanity means there is a soul.

You can read the following articles:

"Reload this Page Physical Plane is Backwards Running Time, Energetic Plane is Forward Running Time"
https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s....php?p=2110228

"Reload this Page Reincarnation as People Cycle between Male and Female Forms in 100 year Cycles"
https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...d.php?t=142595

"Clockwise and Counterclockwise Energy as People Reincarnate Between Male and Female Forms"
https://www.personalitycafe.com/thre...-forms.1362617

"Due to Reincarnation, if you are an introvert, any extrovert is a potential love interest, as long as not potentially your parent's age (+ ~17 y.o.)"
https://www.personalitycafe.com/thre...7-y-o.1364730/

[MidasCloud]

Originally Posted by Gem

Tanha is that reactivity of aversions and cravings which is said to be the cause of dukkha or suffering. I don't think that's debated by Buddhist scholars, but there are a lot of nuances that go into it.

It's hard to talk about a soul in Buddhist terms because there is no enduring eternal soul as such, but rather, a continuous stream of consciousness or something like that... but personal development or spiritual development is still a thing, so I'm happy to call person a soul in that context.

It has a lot to do with the physical body, or sensations (vedana) particular, and there is a lot said about 'from feelings craving arises', which implies how the mind/body is like an interplay of phenomena rather than being substances in their own right.

Reincarnation Energy is an aspect of innate desire, in which people whose reincarnation energy is "improve society" will be born as a child of parents who seek to improve society. Similarly, if the reincarnation energy is one of "financial independence", then the child is born to parents who are doing business.

[sky]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

You can think of the soul as the part of you that's from the Energetic sphere.

You can read the following articles:

Thank you but no thanks. I don't need to read any Articles, from a very early age I realised that a 'Soul' makes no sense to me personally....

[MidasCloud]

Originally Posted by sky

Thank you but no thanks. I don't need to read any Articles, from a very early age I realised that a 'Soul' makes no sense to me personally....

Maybe it will make sense to you once you read the articles I recommended.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

Suffering appears to be a mis-translation for Desire:

Also, there is probably a need to input "innate" in front of "desires", in the Four Noble Truths:
1. Life is full of innate desires
2. Unfulfilled innate desires is the source of much distress
3. Innate desires can be satisfactory fulfilled if one knows what they are and how to fulfill them
4. Following a righteous path (by telling yourself "seek a righteous path, and wisdom will be yours", for example), and knowing how there is a right way to do anything, will help one identify and satisfactorily fulfill those innate desires.

More information about the translation here:
https://www.lionsroar.com/who-was-the-buddha/

Thank you for reading, please share your thoughts or opinions.

Desires, wants and needs are your obstructions..

For instance, what one thinks Wisdom means in the western world is not the same as in Buddhism.

An example of a good desire is Bhakti.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

innate desire, born to parents

I don't really understand how a desire is innate or have much reason to believe a will to improve society or something will necessarily lead to conducive parents, but I don't know what the real answer is, so you could be right.