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16-04-2022, 03:20 AM
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....... and then, in Koine Greek, there is no punctuation for a Question Mark. The original language probably was Koine Greek.
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Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.
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16-04-2022, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
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Using the text which translations are based on, generally is considered a wise choice and selecting a Greek Interlinear gives the audience the opportunity to 'see' some of the nuances and 'obstacles' translators are faced with.
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Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.
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16-04-2022, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
....... and then, in Koine Greek, there is no punctuation for a Question Mark. The original language probably was Koine Greek.
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This discussion gave me the opportunity to relearn (I think I knew it) that the Greek question mark is the English semicolon ;https://www.billmounce.com/greekalph...yllabification
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16-04-2022, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Using the text which translations are based on, generally is considered a wise choice and selecting a Greek Interlinear gives the audience the opportunity to 'see' some of the nuances and 'obstacles' translators are faced with.
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Yes, and considering the context is important.
Actually, when I read and interpret a quote I do it more intuitively than intellectually; even more so when it is an old text, a translation, paraphrase, ...
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Everything expressed here is what I believe. Keep that in mind when you read my post, as I kept it in mind when I wrote it. I don't parrot others. Most of my spiritual beliefs come from direct channeling guidance. I have no interest in arguing whose belief is right, and whose is wrong. I'm here just to express my opinions, and read about others'.
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16-04-2022, 03:49 AM
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This is a g00d thread!!
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16-04-2022, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by inavalan
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That holds true for classic Greek but not for Koine Greek. In Koine Greek, there was no punctuations: not even the spaces between words. Even today, there are some languages that are like that.
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Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.
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16-04-2022, 05:25 AM
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To be born of, begotten, give rise to; bring about.
I think it's all about what we are identifying with.
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16-04-2022, 05:54 AM
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I think that is the key in the greek....... "that" in john 3:6 which is either or....
Here it is John 3:6 "6 The thing (that) having been born of the flesh is flesh, and the thing having been born of the Spirit is spirit"
What is "the thing?" The soul? or even better...... it's ME
Like this: "6 Me having been born of the flesh is flesh, and me having been born of the Spirit is spirit" I am me as body/flesh or me as spirit. Up to me which I am connected/identified with.
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16-04-2022, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tedmil
In KJV, Nicodemus asked an explict question. Yet, in NIV Nicodemus' question has been changed into a declaration:
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I personally do not see any significant change from one version to another, Nicodemus was confused and was asking Jesus to explain His teaching.... |
16-04-2022, 06:51 PM
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I personally do not see any significant change from one version to another, Nicodemus was confused and was asking Jesus to explain His teaching....
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KJV affirms that rebirth into mother is possible while in NIV affirms the same notion is absurd. |
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