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24-08-2020, 10:56 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2019
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Originally Posted by Morpheus
Hopefully also you understand that "Saved", means rescued.
And "Grace", means unmerited favor.
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If "Grace" means "unmerited favor", how can you fall from grace, from unmerited favor?
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Grace... when it comes to God.. it just another word for Love...
If God is Love, than everything else that comes from God can't be anything else than a manifestation of Love, it all starts with love and comes back at Love.
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The truth.
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27-08-2020, 02:48 AM
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Master
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Matrix
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People aren't condemned because of righteousness, or love of God.
Who is love.
They are condemned because of committing cardinal sins, reject Him, and thereby commit spiritual suicide.
They replace Him with their own law and gospel.
Eliminating their natural conscience.
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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27-08-2020, 07:52 AM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpheus
People aren't condemned because of righteousness, or love of God.
Who is love.
They are condemned because of committing cardinal sins, reject Him, and thereby commit spiritual suicide.
They replace Him with their own law and gospel.
Eliminating their natural conscience.
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Some Cardinals do sin.... A very apt name.
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27-08-2020, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Morpheus
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They replace Him with their own law and gospel.
Eliminating their natural conscience.
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Yeah, I think that's probably right, it does explain much of what ended up happening. I suppose there is just too much money to be made by violating that 3rd commandment for many to resist the temptation.
It so often comes down to money. You know some say all of human behaviors can be broken into two categories, the drive to survive and the drive to reproduce. Which I suppose explains the worlds two oldest professions. That and I suppose why the rich man finds it so hard to find heaven.
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27-08-2020, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sky123
Some Cardinals do sin.... A very apt name.
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Especially the sin of gluttony, they will eat all the safflower seeds before any of the other birds even get a chance. That and they are thieves, they are always trying to steal second or third base.
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02-09-2020, 02:40 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: ...Somewhere else
Posts: 263
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Following Jesus is what it means to be a Christian, although I don't really care for the label, as it means so many things to so many people, and has been tainted especially in the West. But, to me, Christianity is about following Jesus, simply taking up our cross, denying ourselves, and following Him. Not self seeking, but rather seeking to be more selfless, like Jesus. That's my cliff notes version.
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Follow your heart.
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02-09-2020, 03:53 AM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: अनुगृहितोऽस्म
Posts: 16,147
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Originally Posted by Deidre
Following Jesus is what it means to be a Christian, although I don't really care for the label, as it means so many things to so many people, and has been tainted especially in the West. But, to me, Christianity is about following Jesus, simply taking up our cross, denying ourselves, and following Him. Not self seeking, but rather seeking to be more selfless, like Jesus. That's my cliff notes version.
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NICE COMMENTS!
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02-09-2020, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Deidre
Following Jesus is what it means to be a Christian, although I don't really care for the label, as it means so many things to so many people, and has been tainted especially in the West. But, to me, Christianity is about following Jesus, simply taking up our cross, denying ourselves, and following Him. Not self seeking, but rather seeking to be more selfless, like Jesus. That's my cliff notes version.
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Agreed, but then of course we can ask (if we wanted to) what does it mean to follow Jesus. I expect if we ask any given Christian if they follow Jesus, the answer will be "of course I do" or "I try to", if they are being honest. Yet though they are all trying to follow Jesus, they seem to be going in many different directions. Personally, I expect that the descriptions of Jesus written by others are vague and varied enough that everybody has their own idea of what Jesus looks like and is following that. Paradoxically, then two Jesus followers going in opposite directions will often run into each other head on and then start fighting about who is properly following the true prince of peace, and who is the heretic.
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03-09-2020, 11:35 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,082
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Originally Posted by ketzer
Agreed, but then of course we can ask (if we wanted to) what does it mean to follow Jesus. I expect if we ask any given Christian if they follow Jesus, the answer will be "of course I do" or "I try to", if they are being honest. Yet though they are all trying to follow Jesus, they seem to be going in many different directions. Personally, I expect that the descriptions of Jesus written by others are vague and varied enough that everybody has their own idea of what Jesus looks like and is following that. Paradoxically, then two Jesus followers going in opposite directions will often run into each other head on and then start fighting about who is properly following the true prince of peace, and who is the heretic.
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Deidre says follow your heart i think i might have to steal that i think that sums up following Jesus in a few words. It's better to go slowly and get there in the end then if anyone says your a heretic just say your going very slowly but will get there in the end
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03-09-2020, 12:33 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: God's House
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For many people Christianity means hope. It is a sign that God cares for us and is willing to help us. In this forlorn world that means a lot.
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The Humility, the Pride and the Humiliation.
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