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Old 11-02-2020, 06:40 AM
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Do you propose to discuss only how to make co-exist people of different faith, or how to make co-exist all people?

I believe that both are impossible on Earth. They are utopian visions. There are impossible things on Earth, as perpetuum mobile is impossible, for example, and no reasonable person tries to invent one.

Look at all levels of life ... Nobody co-exist excepting on a very small scale.

If we are here to learn / experience something, and if those who learned / experienced enough don't return, while new inexperienced souls replenish the pool, then life on Earth will follow similar scenarios, mistakes will be made, lessons will have to be learned / experienced.

Obviously, faith isn't a tool to solve problems on any scale.

Yes, how people of different beliefs can interact with each other.

We claim to be 'spiritual' so trying to get along with people of various belief systems should not be an obstacle.
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Old 11-02-2020, 08:54 AM
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It cannot be done because the very nature of identifying as religious is to create 'us and them'.
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It cannot be done because the very nature of identifying as religious is to create 'us and them'.

Why put limits?

Please explain why a person can go to the Christian Forum and intermingle with others and do the same thing with Buddhist, Muslims, Jews, Spiritualist, etc.?
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It cannot be done because the very nature of identifying as religious is to create 'us and them'.
True, any section of society has a set of characteristics that distinguish it from everybody else. However, that does not necessarily mean it must be hostile to others. Interfaith would be between faiths, and even if one feels their faith is the correct one, that does not mean they have to exclude or suppress the others. It seems to me that most religious faiths are built around some basic core principals that are common or similar to most faiths. Then there is this whole trapping of dogma, ceremony, and costumes that humans build around it. Often they surround the internal kernels of truths or spiritual beliefs with so many trappings that it becomes hard to see what the original faith was built upon. This using God's name for vain human purposes is a regular epidemic in religions, not withstanding the third commandment that the Abrahamic traditions claim to hold sacred. As I recall Jesus went off on the religious authorities of his day with his seven woes- Matthew 23.

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It cannot be done because the very nature of identifying as religious is to create 'us and them'.

This only happens if you believe in dualism. If one shifts to non-dualism, you can see commonality.
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True, any section of society has a set of characteristics that distinguish it from everybody else. However, that does not necessarily mean it must be hostile to others. Interfaith would be between faiths, and even if one feels their faith is the correct one, that does not mean they have to exclude or suppress the others. It seems to me that most religious faiths are built around some basic core principals that are common or similar to most faiths. Then there is this whole trapping of dogma, ceremony, and costumes that humans build around it. Often they surround the internal kernels of truths or spiritual beliefs with so many trappings that it becomes hard to see what the original faith was built upon. This using God's name for vain human purposes is a regular epidemic in religions, not withstanding the third commandment that the Abrahamic traditions claim to hold sacred. As I recall Jesus went off on the religious authorities of his day with his seven woes- Matthew 23.




I think religious sects are strong identification systems, so people will be violent if the religious structure is threatened including killing an dying to preserve it as a form of vicarious self-preservation, and since all things pass, including religious structures, violence is an inevitable characteristic of religiosity.


Apart from that, history has shown us that annihilation of a religious structure is not necessary for this violent characteristic to be expressed, and this is because it is an inherent facet of sectarianism, and all the major religions have engaged in collective violence against 'the other', and will continue to do so.


The sacreligious, such as myself, can only see ourselves as human beings, so we are violent for reasons other than religiosity, maybe nationalism, maybe for political ideals, maybe for ethical standpoints and so on, but in terms of religious violence, the only solution to that is the end of religion itself, which is not to say people will find peace. People will always be violent and perhaps violence is just part of human nature.


My view is, each one should know the violence in themselves, and not pretend to be a peaceful being, but embrace the facets of their good and evil natures.
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Why put limits?

Please explain why a person can go to the Christian Forum and intermingle with others and do the same thing with Buddhist, Muslims, Jews, Spiritualist, etc.?




It isn't as if every single interaction will be a violent one, but all the religions you mentioned have been. are, and will be, engaged in violent conflict with 'the other'.
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This only happens if you believe in dualism. If one shifts to non-dualism, you can see commonality.




It's a wonderful ideal, but if a person is non-dual they can't also be religious. They can join in with religion for the social value, but religious identity, and identity on the whole, simply cannot withstand self-scrutiny.
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It isn't as if every single interaction will be a violent one, but all the religions you mentioned have been. are, and will be, engaged in violent conflict with 'the other'.

What violent conflict are Christians having with Muslims today in your country? Or are they getting along.

Same goes for all the other permutations.

I just do not 'see' what you 'see'.
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It's a wonderful ideal, but if a person is non-dual they can't also be religious. They can join in with religion for the social value, but religious identity, and identity on the whole, simply cannot withstand self-scrutiny.

There are numerous people who do not believe in duality but claim to be religious. Duality is a man-made concept that many have 'bought' into but does not mean it really exist.
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