Meditation, some answers

[Matty]

To sum up a somewhat point of my previous post with a experience I had with someone.
This person or situation I would say was a delicate one as well. To omit the reasons of the delicates, is intentional.

This person learned, mostly by teaching himself and rejecting outside input.
How to play the guitar, he learned techniques, cords, and all that in which came with it.
He didn't have the love for music, so to say. For him it was just something to learn or to occupy his mind. A way to meditate

One day I asked him to help teach me, basically the variations and techniques that is used for the guitar. He willingly taught me what he knew.
The problem that arose is that he was only able to teach me in the way he learned. He wasn't a teacher, nor professed that he was. In doing so he wasn't able to understand the student and in what way's I needed to learn.
This started a conflict within him and with us. So I had to take a step back from student to....and explain and show. Why it is difficult for me to learn the way he did.
For me having to literally count music and do this and that. Is way to many details and for me to stop and have to literally count music...1234 and this and this and this.
I tried to explain to him that I can't be taught like this. This turned into a more progressive conflict, that he knew knows what he is doing and that I am just a insubordinate and ungrateful student.
So, I had to show and explain to him why I can't learn like that. And explain that it's not that he doesn't know what he is talking about its just he is not able to adapt to the student. Instead of realizing that the student already posseses a certain amount of understanding of music that wants to learn to apply to guitar. And that both of us have different learning abilities. So instead of taking an offense in a personal way I had to show him. That unlike him, for me it's the love of music not the instrument it's self. I had to show him that for me counting music is like breathing air, I don't think I just do. And in order for me to stop and think about counting. This takes away some of my thinking towards what you're trying to teach me.
In the midst of that he came to an realization that for him he didn't really care about the music it's self, his passion was in the details of the guitar. The details is what grounded him and ungrounded me.....I don't know if he actually realized that last part of it though or ever did.
Then once he realized that it wasn't a bad reflection on him just a misunderstanding between the difference of him and I and the difference of how we learn and see things.
We was once able to return to him teaching me his passion for the guitar and me teaching him my passion for music. We was both able to help teach each other by our passion's instead of letting our passion own us.
In short, allowing our passion in life help one another. Instead of letting our passion be our own downfall or stumbling block....How I want my own passion right now to keep this "in short" actually short.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by ayar415

What's the point to any of these miracles, though? I get loaves and fishes. He had to feed those
people who gathered to listen to the talk in a place where there were no diners or cafes.

You mean what was Jesus' point?
It is said to get their attention. Myself, I think to show everyone ' this place is not what you think it is'.

[ayar415]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

You mean what was Jesus' point?
It is said to get their attention. Myself, I think to show everyone ' this place is not what you think it is'.

Do you mean to say that Jesus performed that "loaves and fishes" miracle to get their (the multitude's) attention? I wouldn't think so. He wasn't a show off. Agreed?

As for your point, could you clarify it? What do you mean by "this place"?

[Matty]

Originally Posted by ayar415

Do you mean to say that Jesus performed that "loaves and fishes" miracle to get their (the multitude's) attention? I wouldn't think so. He wasn't a show off. Agreed?

As for your point, could you clarify it? What do you mean by "this place"?

Did you mean to say you don't believe in miracles?
If so what do you think?

To answer your new question.
Jesus didn't want to perform any miracles. His ultimate beleif in miracles was that there would be no miracles.

[Gem]

I think the thrust of the original comments about miracles was that everyday events are miraculous.

Originally Posted by Gem

I think the thrust of the original comments about miracles was that everyday events are miraculous.

I'd say it like this. Consciousness isn't ordinary but Extraordinary and by Its virtue everything that appears in Consciousness is also Extraordinary. Nothing is mundane.

[ayar415]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

I'd say it like this. Consciousness isn't ordinary but Extraordinary and by Its virtue everything that appears in Consciousness is also Extraordinary. Nothing is mundane.

True. Science makes it all mundane with its high-faluting explanations of magic.

[ayar415]

Originally Posted by Matty

Did you mean to say you don't believe in miracles?
If so what do you think?

I do believe in miracles, Matty. Life is magical. To this day, I don't accept my school teacher's explanation that I can see because light enters my eyeballs and excited the retina.

As for the loaves and fishes, that is a tall story (cooked up by the early Christians who created the Bible) to get our attention.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Now, how did that last post explain that miracles do not happen?

zinnat- Actually, it will but as i said in the last post, you have to wait till i complete the details. Then you have to read all posts as a one and you will understand my point.

"Then i realized that it was nothing else but me what is coming out from my body." -OK, that's pretty common and fun.

I understand things that seem absolutely miraculous, impossible things can be explained -
for me it's simple...
walking on water, stopping a storm, healing people, water into wine, resurrecting ?
Explanation? Spirit, along with belief, are more powerful than the physical.
Or for atheists, Mind along with knowledge, focused with intent, are stronger than physical laws, even.
Classic 'Mind over Matter'.

When you apply, 'ask, believe, and receive', a basic Christian teaching from Jesus - it does seem miraculous!!
But it really isn't.
A yogi not being bothered by laying on a bed of nails , seems miraculous, too.

Things that seem like miracles are really every day events to someone that knows how this Universe works.
(And that's coming from me, who has had SO many seemingly just impossible,
'miraculous' things happen, leaving my friends in disbelief.)
This is my input.


zinnat - Good, ok! :) Thanks for saying it's ok to go off topic a bit with
people's personal experiences!

zinnat-I am not going off topic at all and you will realize that too very shortly.

with love,
sanjay

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

QUOTE 493EXCERPT:That's a very strong statement to make "with absolute certainty" but my sense is that it is right on target. Having personally met many extraordinary beings throughout the world, including but not limited to masters from the Himalayas at the 1998 Khumba Mela in Haridwar (India), I can't think of anything that is not possible and for which there is not an explanation.
Your post will be mind-boggling to some and I'm glad that you raised this subject.

Thanks for seconding me.

I stand firmly behind on what i said there.
Let us do a thought experiment to understand what i am saying.

Say that someday science becomes able to invent a time machine which can move persons back and forth in the time and using this a person from 10th century is brought to the present time and he finds himself somewhere in Nevada desert. Now, we put him into a helicopter and bring him to Los Angles. Now, what will he think of helicopter ride and all that lights and modern machines/technologies that he sees at Los Angles?

He will say that humans must have enslaved gods because from his perspective there cannot be any explanation for such things and all these things are miracles.

with love,
sanjay