How does a being, become?

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Non-dual means exactly that - without a second. You are trying to smuggle something other than Advaita Vedanta into Advaita Vedanta. You simply don't have the bona fides for that.

I never disagree with Non-duality, as without second. I never say "Prakriti is second", because Prakriti/Maya/whatever name you call, is insentient (cannot be said ab entity), so how can there be second??
There is Self, and there is not-Self based on all 5 koshas.
There is only One Entity, and there is non-entity which creates/bonds/liberates.

See, where did I said, Prakriti is Independent? Can you show me?

I repeatedly say that, Prakriti/Maya creates the Universe, but not Brahman/Ishwara. But, Maya/Prakriti, is dependent to create.
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[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

How does a being, that is being without becoming (existence as existence itself), how does that become a being with becoming?

To get back to Ewwerrin's question, one approach is to consider the human being as a triplicity of Spirit, Soul and personality.

Spirit is Being, limitless and changeless.

Personality is the form aspect of a human being, consisting of mind and emotions expressing through a physical body.

The Soul (or Consciousness) is the intermediary between Being and personality. Being expresses as individualised Consciousness. The vehicles of Consciousness are the Atmic and Buddhic bodies, Buddhi being spiritual intuition. Incarnate Consciousness extends a portion of itself into the form aspect of a human being.

When incarnate Consciousness goes outwards and identifies with personality then Consciousness only knows becoming, ever-changing states of limitation.

When incarnate Consciousness withdraws from identification with personality then Consciousness rests in itself, knowing itself to be the silent observer.

When incarnate Consciousness goes inwards back to its Source then Consciousness is returning to Being. This is the practice of meditation.

When Consciousness identifies with Being and is stabilised in this identification with Being, then this may be called Self-Realisation.

Then Consciousness sees limitless unchanging Being present in all things, even while continuing to function within the limitations of the vehicles of personality.

Thus becoming takes place within Being. Change occurs within changelessness. Movement happens within stillness.

As is said in the Bhagavad Gita, the Sage sees action in inaction and inaction in action.

Peace

Originally Posted by iamthat

But never mind. We are where we are, and we have to work with our current level of understanding. The beginning of wisdom is realising how little we know.

Sure.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

I feel, even if someone asks questions, I won't open my mouth sharing my foolishness. A new learning to me now to add to my ignorance/stupidity.

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

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You give the impression of just playing mind games, pretending to be one thing and then saying the opposite.

Peace

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Saguna Brahman is an appearance of Nirguna Brahman.

This shows the misunderstandings brother. How come 'one' (devoid of actions, formless, Nirguna Brahman) can appear?

Isn't appearance an action?

Nirguna Brahman (which I call Atman - formless) is always Nirguna and never appears as Saguna. But, that which is Maya, manifests, and along with Brahman is called Saguna Brahman.

Saguna Brahman, is not because of Appearance of Nirguna Brahman, but arising of Maya. Only Maya acts. The presence of Maya along with Brahman is called Saguna Brahman. When Maya sinks (goes back to subtle or disappears), then Nirguna Brahman.

Nirguna Brahman is devoid of actions, never appears, as it is formless. Forms pertain to Maya, but not Nirguna Brahman. Actions pertain to Maya, but not Nirguna Brahman


Note - Again, these are not my own thoughts, but sayings of Shankara himself. Do you want me to quote that too?

Originally Posted by iamthat

You give the impression of just playing mind games, pretending to be one thing and then saying the opposite.

Peace

True. I just thought to shut my mouth. But, JASG wants me to talks by making some questions/accusations about my actions. And so, I continued to speak.

I'm okay to make it in private, if JASG is okay with.

[Miss Hepburn]

Take a break for a while.