A Changing World

[FallingLeaves]

so that would indicate that any lasting change starts here, now, with small activities done by you yourself... rather than with marshalling gobs of people, getting lots of money, and trying to force others to accept a macro-level change that they won't want to touch.

[Starman]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

so that would indicate that any lasting change starts here, now, with small activities done by you yourself... rather than with marshalling gobs of people, getting lots of money, and trying to force others to accept a macro-level change that they won't want to touch.

Whether something is “lasting” or not depends on individual perspectives. Everything changes, most things either grow or deteriorate, but very few things remain the same. The adage, “the more things change the more they remain the same,” is about the cyclic dynamic of charge.

Any activities done by a person may start with a thought, feeling, or impulse. This is the micro level that leads to outward behavior which is the macro level. All change involves a reaction to something, we live in a world of cause and effect, but causes are reactions and so are effects from those causes.

In my opinion everything is just one continuous reaction, that is the way the human mind works, whether we are reacting to our own thoughts, feelings, or just impulses. What we see in this world in regards to human beings started inside of those human beings.

Confusion in this world is and indication of what is going on inside of people and as most people want their views to be embraced by others, they influence others to embrace their confusion. I include myself in that statement as well. Clarity is and open field that does not solicit right and wrong.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by magonia

Since the COVID 19, the world in some ways has changed. The knock on effect for many of us has changed us completely.

Yet I have a feeling all this is necessary for a final place to appear or occur. With the locusts swarming in many parts of the world, strange lighting occurring also in China and other places, it seems the spiritual has a great affect on the physical world.

To what end, well to place us all in a position to evolve in a spiritual sense, something which has been stagnated for many of us, by worldly ways, and the affect of the physical environment on our own well being.

But..... for some people, the World has not changed.

and then there are some, who will say the World has changed for the better.


I guess it all depends on the color of the lenses a person looks thru.

[Busby]

[quote=Lucky 1]
Without hunters....you'd have no wild places and wildlife left!


/QUOTE]

Can't believe you said that!
Before 'we' came along the planet was filled (for millions of years) with jungle and forest of all kinds and animals of all sorts.
Most of the animal species which have vanished over the past hundreds of years have simply been shot into extinction.
There are those people going to great lengths to save the last of various kinds of wildlife before they vanish - saving them doesn't mean shooting them - that's the last thing that'll help..

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Busby

- saving them doesn't mean shooting them - that's the last thing that'll help..

Sometimes it does, such as in my country when there are thousands of boar that eat the forest undergrowth. Even though wolves have returned it’s still not enough as wolves prefer deer. Humans therefore have to intervene if they wish to maintain higher biodiversity.

Originally Posted by magonia

Since the COVID 19, the world in some ways has changed. The knock on effect for many of us has changed us completely.

It hasn't changed, it's the cycles of same-old same-old in present day contexts and not in historical contexts. "All this has happened before, and will happen again." The idea of cycles were well understood by the Mayans and many others across time and geography. If you look through history there have been plagues-a-plenty over many years, the only real difference is that because of technological advances in travel the world is a smaller place.

[Starman]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

It hasn't changed, it's the cycles of same-old same-old in present day contexts and not in historical contexts. "All this has happened before, and will happen again." The idea of cycles were well understood by the Mayans and many others across time and geography. If you look through history there have been plagues-a-plenty over many years, the only real difference is that because of technological advances in travel the world is a smaller place.

I concur with what you have said. Cycles and circles are incredible things. They are mainly for healing, as in this life I have done a lot of full-circle type work on myself. They come around again and again so that we can learn from them and release them.

A lot of people see time as a straight line but time is actually circular. Interesting how many scientists believe that the universe, or space, is curved. What goes around comes around. The planet rotates on its axis and we call it a day, it circles around the sun and we call it a year. Its' all circular motion.

Cycles come from circular motion, and I embrace that all motion is circular. In our individual lives things come around again and again, it is the same with world events. We have evolved our technology much more than we have intrinsically evolved ourselves, otherwise we might see the patterns, or cycles, clearer.

[Jyotir]

Originally Posted by janielee

... is that realistic on this Earth with humans?

It is realistic because it is possible.

Reality, the Real - arguably the root of “realistic” - not only allows for this, it supports it unconditionally as an evolutionary progression. But human beings have self-conscious free-will.

We just have to make the choice to relinquish a complacent attachment to the unsatisfying past and an irrational but cleverly rationalized fear and falsely reasoned doubt of the unconditional unlimited unknown available within each life, and all life. It is largely those two things - attachment and fear - that creates a dire insecurity which exacerbates the untransformed desires and tendencies which are further enabled by an ultimately impotent - but provisionally effective - human intellect, mind, e.g., desire-mind, e.g., when not guided by spirit/spiritual aspiration.

Hence the world we see, and importantly the organized human institutions of all type and manner which support the preservation and perpetuation of these ultimately self-destructive tendencies - even if at one time they were progressive and helpful. That vs. the cultivation of faith in a truly aspiring fully available spiritual life which provides for the actual - not cynically induced, manipulated, or coerced - human need... without greed, deceiving, or harming of others (or oneself!) or the wholesale destruction of the environment as a standard mode of existence and purpose.

There are people who don’t believe in God which is the same thing as not believing in oneself. There are people who say they believe in God but don’t actually utilize that belief or what it represents in a real practical way in and for themselves which also has an effect on others. There are people who pretentiously proclaim a belief in God but cynically exercise the undivine human tendencies for personal advantage, often at the expense of the collective. When all three become institutionalized as pervasive organized social structures in all areas of life, the result is highly organized aimless corruption, dysfunction, obsolescence, chaos, and destruction.

Very few human beings at present have not only recognized the true inner potential of existence but have also actually consecrated their life in a practical responsible way of implementation of those principles.

This is the crisis of our time. The current events illustrate this as a surface appearance, but superficial solutions will not suffice. It’s really quite simple... human beings need to wake up to who they really are and begin to live that truth as a work in progress - real spirituality - instead of doing everything possible to avoid it, including and especially the intensive organizing, including and especially the hyper-intellectual reasoning of that avoidance.

~ J

[Lucky 1]

[quote=Busby]

Originally Posted by Lucky 1

Without hunters....you'd have no wild places and wildlife left!


/QUOTE]

Can't believe you said that!
Before 'we' came along the planet was filled (for millions of years) with jungle and forest of all kinds and animals of all sorts.
Most of the animal species which have vanished over the past hundreds of years have simply been shot into extinction.
There are those people going to great lengths to save the last of various kinds of wildlife before they vanish - saving them doesn't mean shooting them - that's the last thing that'll help..

And I can't believe you don't believe it!...I guess you just don't know...

The whole issue with your post is when you say "before we came along"....well we did come along and we're here to stay so that ship has sailed... and we need to responsible about it.

The reality is that in our modern world...the animals and wild places have to coexist with humans......and hunters, fisherman and outdoors men are the group that are leading the way with conservation programs and wilderness trusts to keep these places wild and literally putting there money where there mouth is to do so to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

Conservation led by the hunting community and pushing responsible bag limits and responsible use of our lands is what is literally saving the wilds!

I personally own 20 sections of Southern Texas wild lands....historic south Texas ranch land....it is all trees and brush with a spur of the Frio River running through....and yes, we hunt deer, hogs etc on that property.

I have also put those 20 sections into a conservation easement....even after I die it can never be developed....it will remain wild into the future.

And thousands of land owners in the U.S have done the same with tens of thousands of acres of private wildlands for the same reasons...we wish this habitat to remain wild.

Naturalist Aldo Leopold said it best 100 years ago: Only the hunter who has walked the woods and heard the howl of the wolf and been in step with nature can truly know it and appreciate what its loss would mean.

This is the kind of conservation you get from the hunting community all over.

[magonia]

Everybody sees things in a different pay perhaps has a whole we have a full picture?