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Old 14-10-2019, 02:56 AM
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Never heard about freedom of speech? This isn't a ''christians only'' resort of any kind, and all religion and belief systems should be allowed to be criticised, the same way Christians criticise homosexuality and atheists. Cheers...
You misunderstood what I wrote, and went off the ... message.

Write whatever you want, and the forum rules allow. There is no free speech to bully, to be disrespectful, to lie ... without consequences.

I don't defend Christianity. I don't even follow it. I defend good manners here, and argue against trolling.

Nothing personal to you or others who are critical to Christianity, beyond the scope of these posts.
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Old 14-10-2019, 02:57 AM
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Yes I understand that the truth can hurt, but the violence is there for all to read and being truthful has very little to do with likes or dislikes, it is as it is even if you and others find it disrespectful. I personally find it is very disrespectful to God to even think they are his words.... but to each their own.
See above.
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Old 14-10-2019, 03:02 AM
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Inavalan, I've noticed a few times now of you trying to police threads. What are you afraid of.
See above.

As you have the right to express your position, so do I. Why is it okay to bully somebody, and not okay for a bystander to tell you not to?

You think your're right in your position discussed in this (misguided) thread. I don't argue that. I argue that you shouldn't do that here, in the Christianity forum. Do it in Strong Opinions!

I disdain bullying, aggressiveness, lack of manners, and as everybody else, I have the right to express it, as I do it, in a strong, but polite way!
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Old 14-10-2019, 03:15 AM
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........ Well in that case, I might as well interpret Mein Kampf the way I see fit and promote it as a good book while glossing over it's true original intentions.
Will your book also become a best seller?
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Old 14-10-2019, 03:23 AM
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We agree. I'm not trying to defend the indefensible in any way, it's just that you will find many individual people in religion using scriptures containing violence who are non-violent and peaceable, who probably rarely read the violent parts and have some way to rationalise them. and there are many ways to rationalise them. You're never going to make those violent parts go away except by promoting the other parts of scripture that reflect a better day at the scribes office, so I don't understand the continued threads like this one. Everyone knows and has read those verses a 1000 times and got their own way of dealing with it, its not like it is new information
The average kids bible story book for 5 year olds gets the tone right and shows God in a positive light, we like to tell our kids the truth before they are old enough to get lied to. what's the problem with that?
You made some really nice points.

Today, some people are sadden that the Bible is looked at as a terrible work of fiction.
But as we look around, some of the same people claim the police should all be shot,
judges are no good, etc. Some people even believe those doing 'bad things' should be rewarded, etc.

Times change.
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Old 14-10-2019, 03:32 AM
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Sects are inevitably drawn into violence just by the nature of sectarianism, and God is merely a justification for it. It isn't Christianity as such. Christianity is merely an example of how violence is endemic to sectarian ideology. If the ideology was we are people first and all the belief systems are asides, we'd be better off, but religion is given too much importance by the followers, so the 'us and them' is too strong.


The philosopher Said explained that we construct 'the other' as a way of defining ourselves, so we need 'the other' to be bad if we are to be good. without 'the other' we don't know who we are, but we are defined by 'the other' so we draw it ever closer. When it gets too close we start to panic as it dawns on us that we are nothing without them, and we start to kill them to keep them at arms length. But as we annhialate the other we lose the sence of ourselves, so we recreate the other in some form lest we ourselves are annihilated by having nothing against which to define ourselves.


We are destructive toward nature in the same way. We construct ourselves as 'other than' the universe, and for the religious, other than God - and in the sense I described above we are literally at His mercy.


The psychoanalyst Lacan spoke of the 'big other' and said we're closer than anything to it. If we are nothing but that against which we define ourselves we are headed toward inevitable annihilation. This is because we are not in fact christians and muslims or australians or americans. It's all just a story about me. It's manufactured imaginatively but it becomes a fundamental delusion. To see the delusion is to be annihilated, but Lacan's view was this annihilation is essential for overcoming the psychosis.
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Old 14-10-2019, 04:32 AM
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Old 14-10-2019, 05:24 AM
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Why did God condone and order such terrible acts of violence found in the OT? If some believe the Bible to be the ' Word of God ' then you have to believe God was as guilty as the perpetrators or even worse....

A Teenager asked me this question and I answered in my own personal opinion that the OT is not the ' Word of God ' which of course led to more questions and an never-ending conversation which I bowed out off and advised them to do some contemplating....

Dear sky123,

I see God as something bigger than the word, and I donít follow Christianity in its modern day mainstream form, which I find to be dogmatic and fear based in many cases, but I do believe in God, for lack of a better word. But his was borne of experience. In the past, when I sought more, I would put aside that which did not resonate and left others to their devices (for the most part )

Namaste,

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Old 14-10-2019, 08:11 AM
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See above.

As you have the right to express your position, so do I. Why is it okay to bully somebody, and not okay for a bystander to tell you not to?

You think your're right in your position discussed in this (misguided) thread. I don't argue that. I argue that you shouldn't do that here, in the Christianity forum. Do it in Strong Opinions!

I disdain bullying, aggressiveness, lack of manners, and as everybody else, I have the right to express it, as I do it, in a strong, but polite way!

Who or what do you think is being bullied here, god, the bible or christians?

As you mentioned the forum rules, it's HQ's job to police threads. If you think someone is trolling and feel the need to report, report.
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Old 15-10-2019, 06:37 AM
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You misunderstood what I wrote, and went off the ... message.

Write whatever you want, and the forum rules allow. There is no free speech to bully, to be disrespectful, to lie ... without consequences.

I don't defend Christianity. I don't even follow it. I defend good manners here, and argue against trolling.

Nothing personal to you or others who are critical to Christianity, beyond the scope of these posts.




' be disrespectful, to lie '


When you don't like the truth it's often seen as disrespect and lie's.
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